We are DOOMED, again, or are we, or is it to late????

[Arcticdude]

I continue to challenge the believers of Man caused global warming to set an example for the rest of us. You give up your money, you give up your standard of living, you give up your freedoms and liberties. It seems silly and pathetic that some people are willing to give up so much for an unproven theory by people with questionable intents. This scam is impossible to prove.
Everything that the true believers want to change are already available. You don't have to use any petroleum products if you don't want to, you can power your own house with solar (like I do) if you want to. Ok, so what's stopping you from doing this now? Why do you just sit around whining and begging the government to "do something"? Do something yourself. If you truly believe in this global warming BS then get off YOUR ###, stop whining, and do something about it yourself.

 

[Maverick]

Will now, if man created global warming, trees must be one evil SOB given in warm weather trees release terpenes, isoprenes and hydrocarbons. We need to eliminate trees

 

[Arcticdude]

I continue to challenge the believers of Man caused global warming to set an example for the rest of us. You give up your money, you give up your standard of living, you give up your freedoms and liberties. It seems silly and pathetic that some people are willing to give up so much for an unproven theory by people with questionable intents. This scam is impossible to prove.
Everything that the true believers want to change are already available. You don't have to use any petroleum products if you don't want to, you can power your own house with solar (like I do) if you want to. Ok, so what's stopping you from doing this now? Why do you just sit around whining and begging the government to "do something"? Do something yourself. If you truly believe in this global warming BS then get off YOUR ###, stop whining, and do something about it yourself.

 

[Arcticdude]

I continue to challenge the believers of Man caused global warming to set an example for the rest of us. You give up your money, you give up your standard of living, you give up your freedoms and liberties. It seems silly and pathetic that some people are willing to give up so much for an unproven theory by people with questionable intents. This scam is impossible to prove.
Everything that the true believers want to change are already available. You don't have to use any petroleum products if you don't want to, you can power your own house with solar (like I do) if you want to. Ok, so what's stopping you from doing this now? Why do you just sit around whining and begging the government to "do something"? Do something yourself. If you truly believe in this global warming BS then get off YOUR ###, stop whining, and do something about it yourself.

 

[Kevin L]

I continue to challenge the believers of Man caused global warming to set an example for the rest of us. You give up your money, you give up your standard of living, you give up your freedoms and liberties. It seems silly and pathetic that some people are willing to give up so much for an unproven theory by people with questionable intents. This scam is impossible to prove.
Everything that the true believers want to change are already available. You don't have to use any petroleum products if you don't want to, you can power your own house with solar (like I do) if you want to. Ok, so what's stopping you from doing this now? Why do you just sit around whining and begging the government to "do something"? Do something yourself. If you truly believe in this global warming BS then get off YOUR ###, stop whining, and do something about it yourself.

I'm not talking about giving up and/or lowering anyone's standard of living.

Does it really lower one's standard of living to have agricultural waste and sewage diverted to a methane power plant? Does it lower anyone's standard of living to plant solar panels on waste land (like filled-up landfills) that can't be used for anything else?

Does it lower anyone's standard of living to use sea algae as a basis for biodiesel?

I'm not asking anyone to sacrifice . . . only to consider (in true capitalist fashion) the benefits of a long-term investment.

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

Absolutely. @Arcticdude

My ex's kids recently had this conversation with me. I actually pointed out multiple posts on this forum, of members who are actually using solar, living a self sufficient life style while still existing in society, growing their own food, conserving resources, caring for the land through thoughtful management... And that they were all "right of center" on the political spectrum, and many also religious.

I'm happy to say it challenged what they were taught by their mother, and in school.

No examples of "anthropomorphic global warming" believers living the lifestyle they preach.

Hypocritical at best, and simple money grubbing and charlatanism at worst.

If you really believe that, how do you drive? How do you justify it?

And besides, a 5 degree temperature rise over the next 100 years? That's not frightening at all. That's just a longer, hotter summer, and still within the non typical high temps we have now.

I ain't scared.

 

[tmttactical]

I'm not talking about giving up and/or lowering anyone's standard of living.

Does it really lower one's standard of living to have agricultural waste and sewage diverted to a methane power plant? Does it lower anyone's standard of living to plant solar panels on waste land (like filled-up landfills) that can't be used for anything else?

Does it lower anyone's standard of living to use sea algae as a basis for biodiesel?

I'm not asking anyone to sacrifice . . . only to consider (in true capitalist fashion) the benefits of a long-term investment.

Now here is the rub. If these concepts are so viable, then why have they not been implemented? Simple answer, they are not cost effective and require the tax payer to fund them for the duration of their existence. If and when the Climate Change folks can actually prove their theories, and show these concepts are cost effective alternates, then folks will jump on the band wagon. There are plenty of folks out there with money and would love to fund these concepts, if they actually made money or even broke even.

Why should America, spend extra (massive amounts) to be the good guys (with no effect on the worlds environment) when the rest of the world continues to contaminate and destroy the climate? Either every country in the world stops burning fossil fuel or nobody stops, it really is just that simple. One country or even a few countries cannot save the planet, if the problem is proven (key word) real then all the countries will have to suffer the economic pilgrimage to a new promised future. That mean all countries, not just ours. Now does anybody actually see that happening? Nope, neither do I.

 

[Arcticdude]

I'm not talking about giving up and/or lowering anyone's standard of living.

Does it really lower one's standard of living to have agricultural waste and sewage diverted to a methane power plant? Does it lower anyone's standard of living to plant solar panels on waste land (like filled-up landfills) that can't be used for anything else?

Does it lower anyone's standard of living to use sea algae as a basis for biodiesel?

I'm not asking anyone to sacrifice . . . only to consider (in true capitalist fashion) the benefits of a long-term investment.

Everything that you mention is already being done, when and where it fesible and cost effective to do so. I'm not familiar with every farming method, but every farm that I know produces little to no waste. It's all tilled back in to the ground or its spread on the fields as fertilizer. I think most of the ag waste that your referring to is generated in processing. Even then most of the waste products are turned in to animal feed or usable by-products.
Where the problem comes in in regard to a person losing more of their disposable income (lifestyle) comes from government mandated policies. Which is exactly what global warming advocates want.
Example; can you imagine the cost involved in mandating that all dairy's "divert" all of their waste and sewage to a methane power plant? Especially if one doesn't exist. BTW, some dairy's do have their own small unmandated methane plants.
Just think of all the businesses that would be eliminated if all of your ideas were mandated by government. The costs of everything would skyrocket, plus taxes would increase. And that would definitely have a huge impact on most people's lifestyle, standard of living and freedom of choice.
That's the problem with global warming believers. They never look at the true cost to average people of their pie-in-the sky ideas.
Any time that more money is taken away from a person, through artificially higher prices and taxes, that family does have to sacrifice in order to make ends meet.

 

[TexasFreedom]

I guess we'll never see eye to eye on global warming, but I ask (as a favor) you to consider the idea of global warming from a different perspective.
People want to dismiss climate change because it isn't proven, the science is sketchy in some peoples' minds, and it's just a theory. We should be skeptical before we upset the applecart and spend billions of dollars on something that may not even happen.
All fine and good, but . . .Consider the cold war with the USSR. We spent over 10 trillion dollars on enough nuclear weapons, military might, espionage, etc. because we had to be prepared in case the Soviet Union decided to attack.Note the amount of money spent on something that "might" happen. It wasn't proven that they wanted to attack us. It was just something that might happen, so we couldn't take a chance.

Does it lower anyone's standard of living to use sea algae as a basis for biodiesel?I'm not asking anyone to sacrifice . . . only to consider (in true capitalist fashion) the benefits of a long-term investment.

Kevin,

Others have already made good comments. You're not talking about $billions, it's $trillions and 10's/100's of trillions. And it would affect people's lives. If people had to go out & buy an electric car & $40k in a solar setup, they would need to downsize their house from a comfortable 3 bed/2bath house to a high-end one-room shed. That's not an exaggeration.

And what do you know about biodiesel? I've made a thousand or two gallons of it myself in my small-scale reactor. Have you made 1 gallon of it? And yes, it was a sacrifice to make it. When gas prices came down, I happily set aside my reactor & just buy at the pump now.

Also, consider this. It now costs Saudi Arabia more to pump a barrel of oil than it costs to pump fracking oil in the USA. OPEC is in dire straights. They can't work in an open market. If they do, crude oil prices would drop below their cost of production. That won't last long. And they can't make the US restrict production. So the USA is the #1 oil producer in the world today, followed by Russia then Saudi Arabia. R & SA are both cutting their production outputs to keep oil prices higher. So they are effectively maximizing the profit for US producers completely at their own detriment. That is fantastic news! Heck, I saw yesterday that in 2019-2020, 7 new pipelines from West Texas will be completed going to the coast (Galveston/Houston) with a 8-10 million barrels per day capacity. I say keep it up! Oil is helping to fight terrorism/socialism. When solar is logical on a large-scale, only then should it be implemented.

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

We chop stalks, and till back in. We use chickenshit, lime, and nitrogen fertilizer (anhydrous ammonia). We use as little herbicide as possible, but yes we use Roundup.

Starting next year, we will be running an acre wide, field long strip of alfalfa, which will migrate across the farm. Animal feed, soil restoration, and wildlife habitat. That's not a small sacrifice, that's 15 to 20 acres of corn or soy, and about a 30th of the field, and a 30th of the profit every year. It will still cost fuel to plant, and harvest. It's a give/take situation.

Our waterways (3) are tiled and run into buried cinder block and gravel filled settling ponds. We keep fertilizer and herbicide runoff to a minimum, as the outflow goes into a small stream, then 5 miles to the river. It works, the small stream never gets algae blooms (and it has slow spots) and always has small game fish and turtles.

The cows are pasture raised, old school style. No feed additives, no antibiotics, we have a small separate quarentine pasture and barn for sick animals, but that's really rare.

The neighboring feeder pig facility stores the waste in tanks below the building, the gas is burned for heat, the liquid is collected, processed (high heat) and sprayed on non leafy vegetable fields, before planting, although I have not seen it in person.

If we could afford a small bio-diesel plant, believe you me, we would do it. Diesel and taxes are the number one farm expenses.

 

[tmttactical]

Use all the fossil fuel today, if (big if) it becomes scares or too expensive then alternate fuel will become viable. All controlled by economics, not government mandates. It has worked this way since man discovered fire and started chopping down tree. Scarcity leads to rising costs and alternate fuels become viable. Why save a fuel resource until it no longer is viable? Progress and development will continue on the alternate fuel sources until one day they will be cost effective.

 

[DrHenley]

Kevin, ask jontte about whether the Soviets had any qualms about attacking other countries without any provocation whatsoever. They just never got to the point where they thought they would be successful in attacking the U.S. directly.

 

[bigpaul]

What is it with Americans and their hatred of the Russians? where did that come from originally?
how many people have actually met a Russian in real life?

 

[DrHenley]

What is it with Americans and their hatred of the Russians? where did that come from originally?
how many people have actually met a Russian in real life?

When the Soviets put nuclear missiles 100 miles off the coast of Florida, we took that to mean they were meant for us. That didn't go over very well with John Q Public.

 

[bigpaul]

that's when wife's parents moved from Leeds to a little thatched cottage in East Devon because they thought nuclear war was coming.

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

@bigpaul I've worked, lived, and slept besdie Russians. It's why you don't see me jumping on the Russian hate train.

Just people.

Honestly, it was the Portuguese I didn't like.

Shifty.

 

[bigpaul]

I just don't like people, not hate them just don't have any time for them, cant be bothered with them.

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

Then you're one of the few.

Every country, every group of people who formed something resembling a nation, have committed atrocities. Throughout history. Always.

Humans are haters. We will kill for a loaf of bread, and if we need to have some reason to hate that person for having that loaf of bread, in order to kill them and take it, we will find a reason to hate.

Humans are also lovers. We band together in bad times, we commit random acts of charity and kindness.

I like life. Bad and good. Still pretty cool.

You just gotta do what you can, change what you can, and let the rest go. Or you'll go nuts and become a SJW.

 

[bigpaul]

I like my own company, that's the way it was when I was a kid and its been mostly the same as an adult.
people let us down, its just not worth the effort.
on other forums i'm known as "lonewolf" which just about sums me up.

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

You just need to get out, have a good time.

When @Bluejoy and I tie the knot in a Celtic/Fundamentalist Christian ceremony culminated by a public "knowing" of one another, in the Biblical sense, followed by heavy drinking and wanton revelry, I will make sure you are invited.