Update on chinese Coronavirus issue
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This is an amazing read Tex. Not being a medical person I have no idea if this is true. Do you or any other medical folks here have an opinion?
It makes me wonder why some people’s bodies fight it off, while other seemingly healthy people are dying...
Dietary zinc?
Zinc deficiency is common among the elderly.
That makes complete sense. Glad Rellgar and others made me realize the value of taking zinc. I’m using Ionic Liquid Zinc. What do you think of that product?
AND...in the For What It's Worth department...
https://news.yahoo.com/virus-may-spark-devastating-global-condom-shortage-081056513.html
Virus may spark 'devastating' global condom shortage
https://news.yahoo.com/virus-may-spark-devastating-global-condom-shortage-081056513.html
Virus may spark 'devastating' global condom shortage
Not familiar enough with it to comment. I take a Calcium-Magnesium-Zinc supplement, and then when I feel something coming on take ZiCam.
FYI "Rubbers" can mean condoms, rubber boots or erasers depending on where you are. LOL
by lifting restrictions on Wuhan, China is potentially unleashing hundreds, maybe even thousands, of asymptomatic carriers on the rest of the country. But scientists believe the 'herd immunity' that has supposedly been built up during the first wave should blunt the impact of ensuing waves somewhat. Well, unfortunately, it looks like that thesis needs to be reexamined.
Since the early days of the outbreak, we've seen reports about people being reinfected with the virus (though in some cases there were doubts about whether the virus ever really left). Well, now, a team of researchers at Fudan University in Shanghai has discovered that an alarmingly high number of recovered patients whom they've tested show low, or no, levels of the virus antibodies in their blood. That means a sizable chunk of those who are infected will be vulnerable to reinfection.
In other words, if these findings are confirmed, the hoped-for "herd immunity" that is supposed to help us get things back to normal in the time between now and however long it takes researchers to mass produce a vaccine simply isn't going to materialize: Instead of diluting the density and acting as blockers for spread, many will be reinfected, and go on to spread the virus to others, all over again. It's just the latest reason to worry that the second wave of the virus could be larger than the first.
Some countries are already seeing the first stirrings of a second wave: On Wednesday, Tokyo reported a record 144 new cases on Wednesday as Japanese PM Shinzo Abe's lockdown (which is legally toothless but has inspired most businesses to close nonetheless) took effect in Tokyo and six other districts across Japan. And now that the Tokyo Games have officially been suspended, the Olympic flame has been taken off public display in Japan. And it’s not clear when it will reappear again or where — or under what conditions.
But and China and Japan aren't the only Asian nations fearful of a full-blown second wave: Hong Kong on Wednesday announced plans for an "unprecedented" $18 billion virus stimulus package to support Hong Kong's rapid;y deteriorating economy, according to Bloomberg.
Since the early days of the outbreak, we've seen reports about people being reinfected with the virus (though in some cases there were doubts about whether the virus ever really left). Well, now, a team of researchers at Fudan University in Shanghai has discovered that an alarmingly high number of recovered patients whom they've tested show low, or no, levels of the virus antibodies in their blood. That means a sizable chunk of those who are infected will be vulnerable to reinfection.
In other words, if these findings are confirmed, the hoped-for "herd immunity" that is supposed to help us get things back to normal in the time between now and however long it takes researchers to mass produce a vaccine simply isn't going to materialize: Instead of diluting the density and acting as blockers for spread, many will be reinfected, and go on to spread the virus to others, all over again. It's just the latest reason to worry that the second wave of the virus could be larger than the first.
Some countries are already seeing the first stirrings of a second wave: On Wednesday, Tokyo reported a record 144 new cases on Wednesday as Japanese PM Shinzo Abe's lockdown (which is legally toothless but has inspired most businesses to close nonetheless) took effect in Tokyo and six other districts across Japan. And now that the Tokyo Games have officially been suspended, the Olympic flame has been taken off public display in Japan. And it’s not clear when it will reappear again or where — or under what conditions.
But and China and Japan aren't the only Asian nations fearful of a full-blown second wave: Hong Kong on Wednesday announced plans for an "unprecedented" $18 billion virus stimulus package to support Hong Kong's rapid;y deteriorating economy, according to Bloomberg.
As the virus continues its woefully underreported spread across Africa - or so public health experts fear - Ethiopia announced on Wednesday that it's joining a growing list of African nations - already including Botswana, Congo, Ivory Coast, Senegal, South Africa and others - by declaring a state of emergency over the virus. The country's 110 million people have been relatively unscathed, reporting just 52 cases so far, though some fear that the country's close ties to Beijing and commerce between the two nations means many more cases have gone unreported. This comes as the number of confirmed cases across Africa has finally passed 10k.
Iraq also extended the closure of its main border crossing with Iran as the 'official' death toll in that country passes 10k. Much to Trump's delight, the decision will put added economic pressure on Tehran, as it will disrupt trade between the two nations, something upon which Iran's sanctions-starved government greatly relies.
Certain progressive media outlets in the US will likely never forget that certain conservative pundits and even - to a much lesser degree - President Trump, Mitch McConnell and other Republican leaders played down the coronavirus as the first cases were confirmed in the US. While President Trump likes to brag about his decision to shut down travel from China, in reality, that was a half-measure (he should have shut down travel from Europe, as certain senior advisors reportedly urged). And while they're not wrong, they're only telling part of the story. A lot of people in positions of power - including, as the Intercept notes, NYC's Democratic mayor - either underestimated the outbreak, or have changed views on subjects like drugs, whether shutting down schools makes sense, whether a partial shutdown that preserves more of the economy might be a more appropriate response - the list goes on and on.
Going through this list, it appears to us that nobody is more guilty than the WHO, which is partly why President Trump is insisting that the US reexamine the WHO's funding, and has mocked the WHO for 'totally blowing it'.
Of course, anybody who has only just started paying attention in the past few weeks (ie most of America) probably doesn't remember the WHO dragging its feet on the global threat and pandemic designations (those were two separate declarations), while also insisting that travel restrictions and border closures weren't appropriate at a time when those decisions could have gone a long way toward suppressing the spread.
Because as the White House reportedly prepares a plan to get some healthy people back to work in the not too distant future, the WHO is now urging that countries considering a lifting of their lockdowns should probably reconsider (even as China prepares to send legions of infected Wuhan residents across its own country, and the world).
The WHO said Wednesday that "we have a long way to go” to defeat the pandemic, said Dr Hans Kluge, the WHO regional director for Europe, adding that now is “not the time to relax [lockdown] measures,” and all countries must “double and triple our collective efforts”. “We still have a long way to go,” he said. “The progress we have made so far in fighting the virus is extremely fragile.” Any relaxation of social distancing measures requires “very careful consideration,” he added. “We need to remain committed.”
His remarks were clearly directed at the West (after all, he was speaking in English), but would the WHO, which has come under fire for refusing to criticize Beijing, say the same about Wuhan?
If you, dear reader, happen to be a billionaire like Microsoft founder Bill Gates, or at least wealthy enough to perhaps be insulated from the vicissitudes of the combined economic and public health crises which have caused the economy to literally grind to a halt, then maybe you really do lack the self-awareness to really compare (after all, the stock market has really bounced back over these last few days). For those who still believe most Americans could survive a ten week total economic shutdown, the OECD would just like you to know: Most of the world is already officially in a deep recession. A leading indicator published by the Paris-based NGO showed its biggest drop on record.
Just in case you weren't aware, the global economy is a giant dumpster fire right now. And while people with comfortable white collar jobs are shouting at everybody to "stay indoors!!!!", there are millions of people are this country who are still waking up every day trying to figure out how they're going to eat, or take care of other essential needs, in the middle of a lockdown. That doesn't mean people should just flout the lockdown when they feel like it, it's just a reminder that everybody deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Iraq also extended the closure of its main border crossing with Iran as the 'official' death toll in that country passes 10k. Much to Trump's delight, the decision will put added economic pressure on Tehran, as it will disrupt trade between the two nations, something upon which Iran's sanctions-starved government greatly relies.
Certain progressive media outlets in the US will likely never forget that certain conservative pundits and even - to a much lesser degree - President Trump, Mitch McConnell and other Republican leaders played down the coronavirus as the first cases were confirmed in the US. While President Trump likes to brag about his decision to shut down travel from China, in reality, that was a half-measure (he should have shut down travel from Europe, as certain senior advisors reportedly urged). And while they're not wrong, they're only telling part of the story. A lot of people in positions of power - including, as the Intercept notes, NYC's Democratic mayor - either underestimated the outbreak, or have changed views on subjects like drugs, whether shutting down schools makes sense, whether a partial shutdown that preserves more of the economy might be a more appropriate response - the list goes on and on.
Going through this list, it appears to us that nobody is more guilty than the WHO, which is partly why President Trump is insisting that the US reexamine the WHO's funding, and has mocked the WHO for 'totally blowing it'.
Of course, anybody who has only just started paying attention in the past few weeks (ie most of America) probably doesn't remember the WHO dragging its feet on the global threat and pandemic designations (those were two separate declarations), while also insisting that travel restrictions and border closures weren't appropriate at a time when those decisions could have gone a long way toward suppressing the spread.
Because as the White House reportedly prepares a plan to get some healthy people back to work in the not too distant future, the WHO is now urging that countries considering a lifting of their lockdowns should probably reconsider (even as China prepares to send legions of infected Wuhan residents across its own country, and the world).
The WHO said Wednesday that "we have a long way to go” to defeat the pandemic, said Dr Hans Kluge, the WHO regional director for Europe, adding that now is “not the time to relax [lockdown] measures,” and all countries must “double and triple our collective efforts”. “We still have a long way to go,” he said. “The progress we have made so far in fighting the virus is extremely fragile.” Any relaxation of social distancing measures requires “very careful consideration,” he added. “We need to remain committed.”
His remarks were clearly directed at the West (after all, he was speaking in English), but would the WHO, which has come under fire for refusing to criticize Beijing, say the same about Wuhan?
If you, dear reader, happen to be a billionaire like Microsoft founder Bill Gates, or at least wealthy enough to perhaps be insulated from the vicissitudes of the combined economic and public health crises which have caused the economy to literally grind to a halt, then maybe you really do lack the self-awareness to really compare (after all, the stock market has really bounced back over these last few days). For those who still believe most Americans could survive a ten week total economic shutdown, the OECD would just like you to know: Most of the world is already officially in a deep recession. A leading indicator published by the Paris-based NGO showed its biggest drop on record.
Just in case you weren't aware, the global economy is a giant dumpster fire right now. And while people with comfortable white collar jobs are shouting at everybody to "stay indoors!!!!", there are millions of people are this country who are still waking up every day trying to figure out how they're going to eat, or take care of other essential needs, in the middle of a lockdown. That doesn't mean people should just flout the lockdown when they feel like it, it's just a reminder that everybody deserves the benefit of the doubt.
COVID-19 Statistics as of 8 Apr 2020
Except for Italy which is well past peak, yesterday was a very bad day for the US and the World
Spain is showing signs of turning around though.
209 Countries reporting 1,450,092 confirmed cases and 83,474 deaths
USA reporting 400,549 (+32,830 +9%) confirmed cases and 12,857 (+1,902 +18%) deaths
Excluding China and Iran:
Confirmed: 1,385,506 (+167,790 +14%)
Deaths: 76,148 (+6,984 +10%)
Recoveries: 205,003 (+15,469 +8%)
Deaths/(Deaths+Recoveries): 27.1% (+0.4%)
Countries with 1000 deaths or more.
Italy...... 17,127 . (+604 +4%) (as of 7 Apr)
Spain...... 14,555 . (+757 +5%)
USA........ 12,857 . (+1,902 +18%)
France..... 10,328.. (+1,417 +16%)(as of 7 Apr)
UK......... 7,097 .. (+938 +15%)
Iran....... 3,993 .. (+121 +3%)
China...... 3,333 .. (+2 +0.0006%)
Netherlands 2,248 .. (+147 +7%)
Germany.... 2,066 .. (+244 +13%)
Except for Italy which is well past peak, yesterday was a very bad day for the US and the World
Spain is showing signs of turning around though.
209 Countries reporting 1,450,092 confirmed cases and 83,474 deaths
USA reporting 400,549 (+32,830 +9%) confirmed cases and 12,857 (+1,902 +18%) deaths
Excluding China and Iran:
Confirmed: 1,385,506 (+167,790 +14%)
Deaths: 76,148 (+6,984 +10%)
Recoveries: 205,003 (+15,469 +8%)
Deaths/(Deaths+Recoveries): 27.1% (+0.4%)
Countries with 1000 deaths or more.
Italy...... 17,127 . (+604 +4%) (as of 7 Apr)
Spain...... 14,555 . (+757 +5%)
USA........ 12,857 . (+1,902 +18%)
France..... 10,328.. (+1,417 +16%)(as of 7 Apr)
UK......... 7,097 .. (+938 +15%)
Iran....... 3,993 .. (+121 +3%)
China...... 3,333 .. (+2 +0.0006%)
Netherlands 2,248 .. (+147 +7%)
Germany.... 2,066 .. (+244 +13%)
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More info on the role of zinc in disrupting cytokine storms:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3407988/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3407988/
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Britain joins growing chorus of countries furious with China's faulty coronavirus equipment
In a blog post on Monday, John Bell, the coordinator of coronavirus testing for Public Health England, said that none of England's 17 million antibody kits -- including the ones bought from China -- have performed well.
Last week, the Netherlands joined Spain, Turkey, Georgia and the Czech Republic in their concerns over masks and test kits. The claims of faulty test kits and other devices came as the number of COVID-19 cases continued to surge in the United States and Europe.
Spain had to return 50,000 quick-testing kits to China after discovering they weren't working properly. The Netherlands also rejected China-made coronavirus testing kits and protective gear, calling them substandard and questioning the quality of supplies Beijing is selling -- at marked-up prices -- to the world.
"China creates the poison and sells the solution to it," foreign affairs expert Gordon Chang told Fox News.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/britain-furious-china-coronavirus-equipment
In a blog post on Monday, John Bell, the coordinator of coronavirus testing for Public Health England, said that none of England's 17 million antibody kits -- including the ones bought from China -- have performed well.
Last week, the Netherlands joined Spain, Turkey, Georgia and the Czech Republic in their concerns over masks and test kits. The claims of faulty test kits and other devices came as the number of COVID-19 cases continued to surge in the United States and Europe.
Spain had to return 50,000 quick-testing kits to China after discovering they weren't working properly. The Netherlands also rejected China-made coronavirus testing kits and protective gear, calling them substandard and questioning the quality of supplies Beijing is selling -- at marked-up prices -- to the world.
"China creates the poison and sells the solution to it," foreign affairs expert Gordon Chang told Fox News.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/britain-furious-china-coronavirus-equipment
China is running out of feet to shoot. LOL
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If ever there was a time to take China's communist country down, now is it. The world needs to cut them off and start manufacturing at home, or elsewhere. There are tons of poor countries that would love the opportunity to be our new slaves. Even if it hurts for a few years, all worth the end result.
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as I mentioned in the covid-Fin post,we got some utterly sub-standard masks from there too,but it seems like in early may,we produce them here by ourselves, China will loose big time with this..
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Wuhan may be celebrating, but another Chinese city has gone into lockdown over coronavirus
The coronavirus lockdown may be over in Wuhan, but in another part of China, it appears to be just getting started.
Suifenhe, a city along China’s northern border with Russia, is now ordering residents to stay inside and only go outside for necessities once every three days, Reuters reports, citing state media.
The coronavirus lockdown may be over in Wuhan, but in another part of China, it appears to be just getting started.
Suifenhe, a city along China’s northern border with Russia, is now ordering residents to stay inside and only go outside for necessities once every three days, Reuters reports, citing state media.
COVID-19 Statistics as of 9 Apr 2020
The numbers are screwy this morning. Probably because Germany and other countries are late reporting and France's numbers look suspiciously low. I'll update this when Germany reports.
209 Countries reporting 1,536,677 confirmed cases and 89,907 deaths
USA reporting 435,289 (+34,740 +9%) confirmed cases and 14,818 (+1,961 +15%) deaths
Excluding China and Iran:
Confirmed: 1,388,592 (+3,086 +0.2%)
Deaths: 82,462 (+6,314 +8%)
Recoveries: 217,777 (+12,774 +6%)
Deaths/(Deaths+Recoveries): 27.5% (-7.6%)
Countries with 1000 deaths or more.
Italy...... 17,669 (+542 +3%) (as of 8 Apr)
Spain...... 15,238 (+683 +5%)
USA........ 14,818 (+1,961 +15%)
France..... 10,869 (+541 +5%)(as of 8 Apr)
UK.......... 7,097 (not updated yet)
Iran........ 4,110 (+117 +3%)
China....... 3,335 (+2 +0.0006%)
Netherlands. 2,396 (+147 +7%)
Germany..... 2,349 (not updated yet)
The numbers are screwy this morning. Probably because Germany and other countries are late reporting and France's numbers look suspiciously low. I'll update this when Germany reports.
209 Countries reporting 1,536,677 confirmed cases and 89,907 deaths
USA reporting 435,289 (+34,740 +9%) confirmed cases and 14,818 (+1,961 +15%) deaths
Excluding China and Iran:
Confirmed: 1,388,592 (+3,086 +0.2%)
Deaths: 82,462 (+6,314 +8%)
Recoveries: 217,777 (+12,774 +6%)
Deaths/(Deaths+Recoveries): 27.5% (-7.6%)
Countries with 1000 deaths or more.
Italy...... 17,669 (+542 +3%) (as of 8 Apr)
Spain...... 15,238 (+683 +5%)
USA........ 14,818 (+1,961 +15%)
France..... 10,869 (+541 +5%)
(as of 8 Apr)UK.......... 7,097 (not updated yet)
Iran........ 4,110 (+117 +3%)
China....... 3,335 (+2 +0.0006%)
Netherlands. 2,396 (+147 +7%)
Germany..... 2,349 (not updated yet)
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Stats are hopeless for today. Germany has reported new cases but not new deaths, France's numbers are suspiciously low, etc. At this point I'm not even going to try to update it.
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