Paul,okay for now, but is a group of over 100 post SHTF even possible to survive? I mean just think of the logistics for such a huge group, just food, water, clothing and shelter, thats besides the possibilities of arguement and friction in such a huge group, think of all the ego's that could be bruised and hurt human nature being what it is.
Paul,
You are right about big groups, they can get chaotic quickly, but I believe in our case we will be much better off with over 100 but you need context to see what I mean.
If 100 random people (some of them friends) rushed and crammed into even an ample sized and well stocked shelter for a year to escape fallout etc exactly what you said would happen.
Someone would decide they were a better leader and stage a coup.
Some group would decide that they should “safeguard” more resources for themselves.
Someone would take justice into their own hands if they feel they’ve been wronged and start a war.
People might not look after one another because they figure that’ll be one less mouth to feed.
In the our group, we’re not just a big hole in the ground; we’ve had 31 years to try and get it right. We’ve always got something to learn and we know a big group requires serious organization, but we’ve built very slowly and developed a culture where we respect each other and our command structure.
For instance some teens (and adults) have monthly training with their adult mentors in cooking for a big group with electricity and over an open fire. Those same kids know exactly what we have stocked in canned foods and what can tastefully be served cold if needed. That group also works with the hydroponic team that looks after our in-house crops but are also trained to farm in dirt for afterwards. We have a considerably sized seed bank which we add to yearly and they use the oldest for their practice crops. Both of these groups work with our Pharmacist, Medicinal Chemist, and GP who teach students to recognize symptoms of common ailments and the best drug from our pharmacy to treat them. They also have learned to recognize common medicinal plants and in fact our hydroponic team grows some of them. Everyone works with everyone and recognizes their value to the group. We have carefully chosen skills that we will need as a group during an event, but also skills that could allow a continuation of some normalcy if an irreversible event occurred as Clair referred to.
- Everyone has a stewardship and is respected in that role.
- We train for our roles and everyone has multiple stewardships for during and after.
Most importantly to the kids, is that all the skills they learn put them in position for great jobs if nothing ever happens.
Maverick,To many people attract attention before and after a SHTF especially in a TEOTWAWKI.
If for whatever reason that group needs to evac 100 people especially when kids are involved in very short notice is going to be a very slow trek. All that worrying about the kids and women folks, who becomes the sacrificial lambs? For that, I never wanted a big group!
Paul,I dont think big groups are sustainable over here, any groups here will be family units and family only, I dont think I have known 100 people in my entire life and its much too large a group if resources are limited and they will be post SHTF.
Dave, Thank you! I will try one.Clair,
I got your answer on the underwater solar cells but I'll send you some charts and graphs as well. You may have to search a bit to find these in your area. The amorphous silicon solar cells are a little more expensive, but their underwater output is definitely better than the old Polycrystalline cell type. Maybe try buying a small one and see what kind of output you get at different depths?
100+people pre SHTF will be very different to 100+ post SHTF, different set of circumstances and a different way of living, most people couldnt live like that and wont live like that.Paul,
I think you'd have to spend a month with us pre-SHTF to get a feel for just how well this large group gets along, how well trained they are, how loyal and committed they are, and just how damn good they are.
You'd see we have more than enough of everything for 300+ to spend 5 years completely off-grid for 5+ years and we're constantly improving our people, our facilities, and our resources.
..and then of course we'd have to kill you, but at least you'd die knowing it can be done.
Paul,100+people pre SHTF will be very different to 100+ post SHTF, different set of circumstances and a different way of living, most people couldnt live like that and wont live like that.
where I live 100 is far too big a group and would not be sustainable.
Dave,
Maybe I can come visit without the killing part? If you could start a school of own, you could train kids from all over world and then they come home to train their parents! Problem is you may have too many people if SHTF. Also, lot of people to keep the secret about where place is if you show them. You could build different place under your new school then your place is safe?! Think about?!
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