Off topic. But, what type of brace is HRC wearing these days?

[Gazrok]

I disagree. Hillary got more votes than our current president, and I doubt if he has gained any supporters. The Split between candidates pushed the electoral vote over,

On this, I fully agree. However, if the Dems are foolish enough to go with another pariah (like Waters, Pelosi, Warren, or God forbid, Hillary again), then they are basically handing him a second term.

but I think the lesson was learned.

Obviously not, as they keep floating the names I mentioned.

I think more people are upset and former supporters that have been hurt or frightened by his policies, mistakes, and reversals will not support him again.

Not "hurt" or "frightened". "Disappointed" is a better term. He's done a 180 on a few key issues (like Syria, gays, etc.), and instead of toning down, as many of us hoped, he's poured gas on the fires. (with the exception of NK, but even that is superfluous at best). If the Dems can come up with a palatable option, they win. Simple as that. Question is, are they smart enough to learn WHY they lost in 2016? So far, all evidence is to the contrary.

The Dems have NO message (other than, hey, we're not Trump!). That's fine and all, but not enough to take it home folks. And the few points that ARE somewhat in their mixed messages (like massive gun control or even repealing the 2nd amendment, open borders, free healthcare and college with zero plans on how to fund it, etc.) are alienating.

If I was advising the DNC, I'd pick Kamala Harris for them. Female, mixed heritage, easy on the eyes, not a whack job (or anyone similar). But, will they be wise enough to go this route? Doubtful.

 

[Doreena]

On this, I fully agree. However, if the Dems are foolish enough to go with another pariah (like Waters, Pelosi, Warren, or God forbid, Hillary again), then they are basically handing him a second term.



Obviously not, as they keep floating the names I mentioned.



Not "hurt" or "frightened". "Disappointed" is a better term. He's done a 180 on a few key issues (like Syria, gays, etc.), and instead of toning down, as many of us hoped, he's poured gas on the fires. (with the exception of NK, but even that is superfluous at best). If the Dems can come up with a palatable option, they win. Simple as that. Question is, are they smart enough to learn WHY they lost in 2016? So far, all evidence is to the contrary.

The Dems have NO message (other than, hey, we're not Trump!). That's fine and all, but not enough to take it home folks. And the few points that ARE somewhat in their mixed messages (like massive gun control or even repealing the 2nd amendment, open borders, free healthcare and college with zero plans on how to fund it, etc.) are alienating.

If I was advising the DNC, I'd pick Kamala Harris for them. Female, mixed heritage, easy on the eyes, not a whack job (or anyone similar). But, will they be wise enough to go this route? Doubtful.

I do not mind Kamala Harris, either, and I have seen her name mentioned, but frankly, I am not sure that crossover votes would accept any female candidate. I hate that, but there is so much racism and sexism in our current culture that her gender may hurt a vote count.


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[DrHenley]

I doubt if he has gained any supporters.

If all you ever heard about Trump was from the mainstream media, of course you wouldn't like him. The amazing thing is how high his approval rating is despite constant daily character assassination in the media.

He is about where Obama and Reagan were at this point their presidencies. If Trump had received the same constant lavish praise from the media Obama got, he would be the highest rated president ever at this point in his presidency.

 

[Gazrok]

I am not sure that crossover votes would accept any female candidate.

This is a total myth, perpetuated by the media (especially based on the piss poor choices mentioned so far), and those who simply don't know actual Trump voters. I don't know a single Trump voter who has an issue with a female candidate (in fact, a lot of us wanted Condi Rice as VP)....just the PARTICULAR candidate last time....NOT her gender (likewise, I don't know any racist ones either). Granted, there may be some who do...but they are in the vast minority I'd wager. Certainly not enough to tilt the tide, if the DNC could actually field a candidate that isn't nauseating. I'd vote Harris over a 2nd Trump term...and I voted for Trump in 2016. It's simple, if you don't hold the positions I based my vote on, then I'm not going to re-elect you.

 

[Gazrok]

Here's another indication that the Dems still haven't figured out WHY they lost in 2016.....

They are also floating around the idea of a younger Kennedy running.

If they haven't learned yet that the election of 2016 was about NOT electing a political insider...then they aren't ever going to learn this. Running someone who is synonymous with the establishment is NOT the correct path.

 

[Arcticdude]

I hope that Hillary runs again, or some other old hag. Trump would be sure to win in a landslide.

 

[DrHenley]

It just gets curiouser and curiouser...

It has now come out that the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) determined that all but four of Hillary's emails (over 30,000 of them all told) were intercepted by a "foreign entity." When the ICIG reported that information to FBI official Peter Strzok, Strzok didn't do anything with it.

The ICIG also discovered that the FBI had somehow mysteriously failed to notice that some of the emails were marked "Classified."

When the ICIG went to James Clapper with concerns about the FBI ignoring important information, he was chided for "failing to consider the political consequences of his investigative findings"!

 

[Robinjopo1]

Many of the Bernie people hate the DMV so much they are still saying they will never vote Dem again. This was only last week.

They want DWS in jail.

 

[Doreena]

Many of the Bernie people hate the DMV so much they are still saying they will never vote Dem again. This was only last week.

They want DWS in jail.

The Bernie people I know held their nose and voted for Hillary.


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[Robinjopo1]

The Bernie people I know held their nose and voted for Hillary.


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I'm talking about the ones that actually picketed the DNC convention etc. The true diehards.

 

[DrHenley]

Sounds just like 1968 all over again. The lunatic left wanted to kill the DNC leadership.

Oh wait, the lunatic left in 1968 IS the current DNC leadership ROFL

 

[Robinjopo1]

I have a friend that was so Bernie. I see her posts and those of her friends. Many friends. Hell will completely freeze over before they would vote for HRC and they despise Debbie Wasserman Schultz more than anyone.

I woyld have hated it, but Bernie would have had a better chance than HRC. His rallys were packed and she had to pay people to attend. Lol

 

[Maverick]

It is 60s all over again for those of us that remember a lot of em

1960 – HUAC riot, May 13, Students protest House Un-American Activities Committee hearings, 12 injured, 64 arrested, San Francisco, California
1960 – Newport Jazz Festival Riot, July 2, Newport, Rhode Island
1960 – El Cajon Boulevard Riot, August 20, San Diego, California
1960 – Ax Handle Saturday, August 27, Jacksonville, Florida
1962 – Ole Miss riot 1962, September 3 – October 1, The University of Mississippi, Oxford, Mississippi
1963 – Birmingham riot of 1963, May 11, Birmingham, Alabama
1963 – Cambridge riot 1963, June 14, Cambridge, Maryland
1964 – the July 16 police-killing of James Powell, in the Yorkville neighbourhood just south of East Harlem, precipitates a string of race riots in July and August, including:
1964 – Harlem Riot of 1964, July 16–22, New York City
1964 – Rochester 1964 race riot, July 24–25, Rochester, New York
1964 – Philadelphia 1964 race riot, August 28–30, Philadelphia
1965 – Selma to Montgomery marches, March 7–25, Alabama
1965 – Watts riots, August 11–17, Los Angeles, California
1966 – Division Street riots, June 12–14, Humboldt Park, Chicago, Illinois
1966 – Omaha riot of 1966, July 2, Omaha, Nebraska
1966 – 1966 Chicago West-Side riots, July 12–15, Chicago, Illinois
1966 – Hough riots, July 18–24, Cleveland, Ohio
1966 – Marquette Park housing march, August 5, Chicago, Illinois
1966 – Waukegan riot, August 27, Waukegan, Illinois
1966 – Benton Harbor riots, August 30 – September 4, Benton Harbor, Michigan
1966 – Summerhill and Vine City Riots, September 6–8 Atlanta, Georgia
1966 – Hunters Point social uprising, September 27–October 1 San Francisco, California
1966 – Sunset Strip curfew riots, November 12, various other flareups, basis for the song "For What It's Worth (Buffalo Springfield song)", West Hollywood, California
1967 – Long Hot Summer of 1967 refers to a year in which 159 race riots, almost all African-American, erupted across the United States, including:
1967 – Avondale riots, June 12–15, Cincinnati, Ohio
1967 – Buffalo riot of 1967, June 27, Buffalo, New York
1967 – 1967 Newark riots, July 12–17, Newark, New Jersey
1967 – 1967 Plainfield riots, July 14–21, Plainfield, New Jersey
1967 – Cairo riot, July 17, Cairo, Illinois
1967 – 1967 Detroit riot, July 23–29, Detroit, Michigan
1967 – Cambridge riot of 1967, July 24, a.k.a. the H. Rap Brown riot, Cambridge, Maryland
1967 – 1967 Saginaw riot, July 26, Saginaw, Michigan
1967 – Milwaukee riot, July 30, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
1968 – Orangeburg Massacre, S.C. State Univ., February 8, Orangeburg, South Carolina
1968 – Memphis Sanitation Strike riot, March 28, Memphis, Tennessee
1968 – Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., April 4, Memphis, Tennessee, precipitates all April 4–14 riots, including:
1968 – 1968 Detroit riot, April 4–5, Detroit, Michigan
1968 – 1968 New York City riots, April 4–5, New York City, New York
1968 – 1968 Washington, D.C. riots, April 4–8, Washington, D.C.
1968 – 1968 Chicago riots, West Side Riots, April 5–7, Chicago, Illinois
1968 – 1968 Pittsburgh riots, April 5–11, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
1968 – Baltimore riot of 1968, April 6–14, Baltimore, MD
1968 – Avondale riot of 1968, April 8, Cincinnati, Ohio
1968 – 1968 Kansas City riot, April 9, Kansas City, Missouri
1968 – Wilmington Riot of 1968, April 9–10, Wilmington, Delaware
1968 – Trenton Riot of 1968, April 9–11, Trenton, New Jersey
1968 – Columbia University protests of 1968, April 23, New York City, New York
1968 – Louisville riots of 1968, May 27, Louisville, Kentucky
1968 – Akron riot, July 17–23, Akron, Ohio
1968 – Glenville sh oot out, July 23–28, Cleveland, Ohio
1968 – 1968 Miami riot, August 7–8, Miami, Florida
1968 – 1968 Democratic National Convention protests, including the police riots of August 27–28, Chicago, Illinois
1969 – Zip to Zap riot, May 9–11, Zap, North Dakota
1969 – People's Park Riots, May, Berkeley, California
1969 – 1969 Greensboro uprising, May 21–25, Greensboro, North Carolina
1969 – Cairo disorders, May–December, Cairo, Illinois
1969 – Stonewall riots, June 28 – July 2, New York City, New York
1969 – 1969 York Race Riot, July 17–24, York, Pennsylvania
1969 – Days of Rage, October 8–11, Weathermen riot in Chicago, Illinois

 

[Maverick]

I have a friend that was so Bernie. I see her posts and those of her friends. Many friends. Hell will completely freeze over before they would vote for HRC and they despise Debbie Wasserman Schultz more than anyone.

I woyld have hated it, but Bernie would have had a better chance than HRC. His rallys were packed and she had to pay people to attend. Lol

Sanders would have been a lame duck President from the start

 

[Robinjopo1]

He would have been a total train wreck Socialist.

I'm so happy things worked out like they didn't, but the under 35 crowd was working hard for him. It was definitely stolen by HRC . Even Donna Brasile admitted so I'm in her book.

 

[Robinjopo1]

It is 60s all over again for those of us that remember a lot of em

1960 – HUAC riot, May 13, Students protest House Un-American Activities Committee hearings, 12 injured, 64 arrested, San Francisco, California
1960 – Newport Jazz Festival Riot, July 2, Newport, Rhode Island
1960 – El Cajon Boulevard Riot, August 20, San Diego, California
1960 – Ax Handle Saturday, August 27, Jacksonville, Florida
1962 – Ole Miss riot 1962, September 3 – October 1, The University of Mississippi, Oxford, Mississippi
1963 – Birmingham riot of 1963, May 11, Birmingham, Alabama
1963 – Cambridge riot 1963, June 14, Cambridge, Maryland
1964 – the July 16 police-killing of James Powell, in the Yorkville neighbourhood just south of East Harlem, precipitates a string of race riots in July and August, including:
1964 – Harlem Riot of 1964, July 16–22, New York City
1964 – Rochester 1964 race riot, July 24–25, Rochester, New York
1964 – Philadelphia 1964 race riot, August 28–30, Philadelphia
1965 – Selma to Montgomery marches, March 7–25, Alabama
1965 – Watts riots, August 11–17, Los Angeles, California
1966 – Division Street riots, June 12–14, Humboldt Park, Chicago, Illinois
1966 – Omaha riot of 1966, July 2, Omaha, Nebraska
1966 – 1966 Chicago West-Side riots, July 12–15, Chicago, Illinois
1966 – Hough riots, July 18–24, Cleveland, Ohio
1966 – Marquette Park housing march, August 5, Chicago, Illinois
1966 – Waukegan riot, August 27, Waukegan, Illinois
1966 – Benton Harbor riots, August 30 – September 4, Benton Harbor, Michigan
1966 – Summerhill and Vine City Riots, September 6–8 Atlanta, Georgia
1966 – Hunters Point social uprising, September 27–October 1 San Francisco, California
1966 – Sunset Strip curfew riots, November 12, various other flareups, basis for the song "For What It's Worth (Buffalo Springfield song)", West Hollywood, California
1967 – Long Hot Summer of 1967 refers to a year in which 159 race riots, almost all African-American, erupted across the United States, including:
1967 – Avondale riots, June 12–15, Cincinnati, Ohio
1967 – Buffalo riot of 1967, June 27, Buffalo, New York
1967 – 1967 Newark riots, July 12–17, Newark, New Jersey
1967 – 1967 Plainfield riots, July 14–21, Plainfield, New Jersey
1967 – Cairo riot, July 17, Cairo, Illinois
1967 – 1967 Detroit riot, July 23–29, Detroit, Michigan
1967 – Cambridge riot of 1967, July 24, a.k.a. the H. Rap Brown riot, Cambridge, Maryland
1967 – 1967 Saginaw riot, July 26, Saginaw, Michigan
1967 – Milwaukee riot, July 30, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
1968 – Orangeburg Massacre, S.C. State Univ., February 8, Orangeburg, South Carolina
1968 – Memphis Sanitation Strike riot, March 28, Memphis, Tennessee
1968 – Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., April 4, Memphis, Tennessee, precipitates all April 4–14 riots, including:
1968 – 1968 Detroit riot, April 4–5, Detroit, Michigan
1968 – 1968 New York City riots, April 4–5, New York City, New York
1968 – 1968 Washington, D.C. riots, April 4–8, Washington, D.C.
1968 – 1968 Chicago riots, West Side Riots, April 5–7, Chicago, Illinois
1968 – 1968 Pittsburgh riots, April 5–11, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
1968 – Baltimore riot of 1968, April 6–14, Baltimore, MD
1968 – Avondale riot of 1968, April 8, Cincinnati, Ohio
1968 – 1968 Kansas City riot, April 9, Kansas City, Missouri
1968 – Wilmington Riot of 1968, April 9–10, Wilmington, Delaware
1968 – Trenton Riot of 1968, April 9–11, Trenton, New Jersey
1968 – Columbia University protests of 1968, April 23, New York City, New York
1968 – Louisville riots of 1968, May 27, Louisville, Kentucky
1968 – Akron riot, July 17–23, Akron, Ohio
1968 – Glenville sh oot out, July 23–28, Cleveland, Ohio
1968 – 1968 Miami riot, August 7–8, Miami, Florida
1968 – 1968 Democratic National Convention protests, including the police riots of August 27–28, Chicago, Illinois
1969 – Zip to Zap riot, May 9–11, Zap, North Dakota
1969 – People's Park Riots, May, Berkeley, California
1969 – 1969 Greensboro uprising, May 21–25, Greensboro, North Carolina
1969 – Cairo disorders, May–December, Cairo, Illinois
1969 – Stonewall riots, June 28 – July 2, New York City, New York
1969 – 1969 York Race Riot, July 17–24, York, Pennsylvania
1969 – Days of Rage, October 8–11, Weathermen riot in Chicago, Illinois

What's sad it they achieved civil rights and now are requesting "all black proms and all black graduations". That's going backwards

 

[Maverick]

What's sad it they achieved civil rights and now are requesting "all black promos and all black graduations". That's going backwards

We had civil rights and anti-war ant-establishment mixed in with a lot of these riots.

 

[Doreena]

What's sad it they achieved civil rights and now are requesting "all black proms and all black graduations". That's going backwards

I had a fairly long conversation about this with a woman from I think New York. She said she would prefer segregated schools for her children, and, being the daughter of a first grade public school teacher, I had to ask why. She described many cases where children were treated badly and their self confidence undermined. She had documented examples. That was right after a teacher was threatening young Hispanic children that their parents would all be locked up, taken away and they would be orphans...anyway, at the end of this discussion, I was left saddened but I also understood her point of view. We will all lose if this comes to be, but I can understand that parents want to protect their children.


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[Doreena]

We had civil rights and anti-war ant-establishment mixed in with a lot of these riots.

And progress was made...now it is going away, as our rights are being eroded.


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[Maverick]

We would have lost even more under HRC