Humira costs

[Brent S]

Proof of the entire industry rip -off? Proof were the government involvement has lowered medical costs? Proof were we are benefiting from government involvement? Any examples were government has lowered cost and improved service? How well has the government involvement worked for the VA hospitals? The number one enemy of a free person and economic development is the government.

I can give proof that US citizens are paying obscenely higher costs for the same, if not lower health care than other countries are. As far as wether the government can make it better or not, well it’s allready broken, so why not consider trying something?
I am a veteran and have gotten some help from the VA over the years. I can’t say I have ever seen anything other than good people, service and results from the VA. I know they have had major issues in the headlines, but they also have a lot of good things that aren’t as sensational for the media to cover.

 

[Brent S]

I'll give a great example of how this should work. FCC vs the EU. The EU requires that all electronics be tolerant of reasonable static electricity hits, that it not affect performance. Call that the nanny state. The FCC takes a different view: they have no such requirement. Their view is that if a product is so weak that a modest static electricity hit causes it to fail, then the market (the people ) will stop buying it and the company will fail. Companies can choose to test, or not test. Choose to improve their product, or face the wrath of the consumer.

Yes, big Pharma are screwing over the people. But be patient, their retribution will come. And the market will punish them far faster & with greater pain than any gov't policy.

I hope you are correct about big pharma having a reason to improve, but as much money as they make, how could the market make a difference to them? They control the entire game.

 

[TexasFreedom]

As far as wether the government can make it better or not, well it’s allready broken, so why not consider trying something?

Brent, sure, some things are worth trying. But if you have the flu & fluid in your lungs, please do not consider spending 30 minutes underwater hoping the fluid leaves your body and go out into the pool. But your idea has already been tried. Obama promised, what was it, $1500 or $2500 less per year in health care/insurance costs, that you can keep your doctor, and no 'death panels'. Obamacare passed as law exactly as he wanted it. He lied, he lied again, and he lied a third time. And the biggest losers were the American people. No thanks, we don't need to try this again.

I hope you are correct about big pharma having a reason to improve, but as much money as they make, how could the market make a difference to them? They control the entire game.

That's not really what I'm saying. I'm saying competition and consumer choice will resolve things in time.

 

[Brent S]

Brent, sure, some things are worth trying. But if you have the flu & fluid in your lungs, please do not consider spending 30 minutes underwater hoping the fluid leaves your body and go out into the pool. But your idea has already been tried. Obama promised, what was it, $1500 or $2500 less per year in health care/insurance costs, that you can keep your doctor, and no 'death panels'. Obamacare passed as law exactly as he wanted it. He lied, he lied again, and he lied a third time. And the biggest losers were the American people. No thanks, we don't need to try this again.



That's not really what I'm saying. I'm saying competition and consumer choice will resolve things in time.

Please, death panels..... Obama tried to get both parties together to reform health care. After everything was through the plan was the best they could work out. It wasn’t anything close to what he wanted. The fact is that you will always see Obama as your version of evil. That’s ok. I don’t think everything he did was good either. That stimulus crap was one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard of. Overall though I know Obama had a lot more compassion and decency than trump any day. I know in my heart that trump dosent care about the masses.

 

[tmttactical]

I don't need compassion and decency, I want results and President Trump is providing them. mealy mouth obuma lied, and continued to lie. How about the hot mic were he told Putin he could work out a better deal with Putin after he got re-elected. Give me an a-hole, crude, nose picking President that is actually doing good for America vs. some polished socialist, lying apologist wimp selling America down the river.

 

[TexasFreedom]

Obama tried to get both parties together to reform health care. After everything was through the plan was the best they could work out. It wasn’t anything close to what he wanted. The fact is that you will always see Obama as your version of evil. That’s ok. I don’t think everything he did was good either. That stimulus crap was one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard of. Overall though I know Obama had a lot more compassion and decency than trump any day. I know in my heart that trump dosent care about the masses.

There was nothing 'compromised' in Obamascare. Why would there be, not one republican voted for it. The only 'compromise' was a few minor things like the "Louisiana Purchase". Nothing was changed for republicans.

As UP said, compassion means nothing. Some would say Hitler was compassionate in his dealings with the Jews. Like always, feelings are completely meaningless. Actions are what matter.

Oh, and UP forgot one more detail. We don't care that Trump bangs two-bit porn stars. That's between Trump & his wife. He didn't commit perjury over it. It doesn't affect his policies/actions within gov't.

 

[DrPrepper]

The drug companies are what really drive up healthcare. If the government did take over healthcare, they would do the actual care part and we would still be at the mercy of the drug companies. Drug companies are always lobbying and they are in deep with lawmakers. They would never be allowed to be controlled by the government. It would be the perfect marriage for them because they either would have the citizens pay for their drugs, or they would get the government to buy their drugs. That would be a serious win for them.
Then, in order to control cost, the government would cut back on procedures (The healthcare reform act wanted to reduce mammograms for women to once every 3 years). If they were paying for everyone in America, they would have to be more stringent about care. They just would.

My concern is once the government is in charge and makes changes, if you don’t like them, how will we change it back? Good luck once they have control.

Nordic countries have good healthcare for their people and take good care of their citizens in general. They have a surplus of money per citizen for care. However, they are very selective about immigration, they don’t get involved in wars ( low military cost). Their money goes to their people. This would never work in America.

In France, they allowed immigration ( pretty freely) and they have free healthcare. They do get involved in some military action. The citizens pay about 50-51% in taxes. I don’t really call that free healthcare.

 

[GaRp58]

If you can limit ---read reduce--- government involvement in your life, you will save a fortune and actually be able to live free.

Even if the Gov't and Pharmaceuticals have damned it, I have been using MMS for survival water treatment for many years. As a side effect, I have NO colds, flu or any such typical problems involved with bacteria and viruses. Antibiotics can only try to kill bacteria, they have absolutely no effect on a Virus. MMS is a weak acid and chemically "burns" through the cell walls of both and destroys them instantly. The only problem is, (and is played up by the Pharmas) the side effect is quite clear. After being destroyed, the poisonous substances in each of viruses, (depending on which and amount in the body) are released into the bloodstream and cause nausea, headaches and simply a shitty feeling. What do you expect, it is poison.
The German gov't put out a warning about the lethality of MMS: The lethal dose is at 262 mg. per kilo of body weight. A normal dose is at 0.006 mg. You would have to drink 43,000 liters at one time to even get to the 262 mg. to even endanger 2.2 lbs of your body. What they did NOT say, but I compared, is that ASPIRIN is a lethal dose at 165 mg. per kilo body weight...and caffein is ONLY at 65 mg. per kilo body weight deadly. This means, our daily cup of coffee, is 4 times more lethal than MMS.
The Pharmas hate MMS because it works against every known virus and bacteria in less that 10 seconds, both cannot become resistant and evolve into a newer and stronger type, the user needs only to follow exact instructions AND it only costs a few dollars for two little bottles needed that last for a year or so...

Like Urbanprep said: Reduce involvement, save money, do not be a guinea pig, AND LIVE FREE! Gary.

 

[GaRp58]

There is a book on the market written by a man who went through the chemo and all. Sent home to die, he googles and finds MMS, after being told that he had nothing to lose, he gave MMS a try. He has now written a book called. I AM CLEAN. Jim Humble has written long and well researched papers/books. Read, learn, decide and make your own decisions. GP

 

[Proud Prepper]

Even if the Gov't and Pharmaceuticals have damned it, I have been using MMS for survival water treatment for many years. As a side effect, I have NO colds, flu or any such typical problems involved with bacteria and viruses. Antibiotics can only try to kill bacteria, they have absolutely no effect on a Virus. MMS is a weak acid and chemically "burns" through the cell walls of both and destroys them instantly. The only problem is, (and is played up by the Pharmas) the side effect is quite clear. After being destroyed, the poisonous substances in each of viruses, (depending on which and amount in the body) are released into the bloodstream and cause nausea, headaches and simply a shitty feeling. What do you expect, it is poison.
The German gov't put out a warning about the lethality of MMS: The lethal dose is at 262 mg. per kilo of body weight. A normal dose is at 0.006 mg. You would have to drink 43,000 liters at one time to even get to the 262 mg. to even endanger 2.2 lbs of your body. What they did NOT say, but I compared, is that ASPIRIN is a lethal dose at 165 mg. per kilo body weight...and caffein is ONLY at 65 mg. per kilo body weight deadly. This means, our daily cup of coffee, is 4 times more lethal than MMS.
The Pharmas hate MMS because it works against every known virus and bacteria in less that 10 seconds, both cannot become resistant and evolve into a newer and stronger type, the user needs only to follow exact instructions AND it only costs a few dollars for two little bottles needed that last for a year or so...

Like Urbanprep said: Reduce involvement, save money, do not be a guinea pig, AND LIVE FREE! Gary.

Yes this is chlorine dioxide, made from chlorite. Its awesome stuff. It seems to also destroy Big pharma, for they fear it more than anything else.

 

[Brent S]

MMS is nothing more than an industrial bleach. In controlled amounts it’s good to help sterilize water, clean surfaces and yes it kills bacteria and viruses. As far as it curing diseases inside the human body, the problem is for it to be strong enough to kill bacteria and viruses it would kill you too. The caustic burn in your digestive tract would do you in immediately. I know there are lots of things from rhino horn to this stuff that claim to cure all sorts of ailments but I can give sound advice here, be very careful with this stuff. In very small amounts it can sterilize water which is a good thing. This is not one of those things where if a little is good then more must be better.

 

[Proud Prepper]

It's not anymore dangerous than any other drug or chemical that people can safely ingest. You do not ingest very much and it's not in it's pure liquid form. You turn it into chlorine dioxide, which is a gaseous form, then reintroduce it to a liquid state.

It does not harm your bodies healthy cells, it has a safe PH level of just under 100. It attaches to mutated cells and punches holes in there protected shells they use to defend themselves from your bodies cells. This allows your bodies good cells to then destroy the mutated cells. MMS also kills harmful bacteria and allows stored toxins as well as harmful heavy metals to be found and removed from your body by your own defensive cells.

Its successfully used in third world countries by the red cross and other health organizations to cure Malaria, AIDS, most Cancers, any type of Hepatitis, Tuberculosis, Typhoid, Pneumonia, Asthma, Herpes, HPV, Chicken pox, Smallpox, Measles, Influenza (including Bird Flu), colds, food poisoning, snake bite, Lyme disease, Ringworm, Roundworm, Tapeworm, yeast infections, and many other common diseases.

It's also used in its chlorite form in hospitals, food produce and meat to destroy bacteria on foods.

No one that is opposed to MMS can provide any evidence that it does not work or is harmful if used as the safe recommendations state.

The reason people feel sick and have other non severe side effects is because the toxins and dead bacteria is rapidly being removed out of your body. Your going through a detox. These symptoms pass over time once the detox is complete and your body is acclimated to the process.

Dont take my word for it, research it yourself and if coming to the same conclusion, try it at your own risk using the safe guidelines and protocols.

 

[GaRp58]

The caustic burn in your digestive tract would do you in immediately.

Sorry Brent, I've been using 5 drops of MMS for years to clean 1 liter of water to drink on survival trips. Went to 8 drops when I had a cold, never a problem. You are definitely right if someone were to make the mix and drink it straight. (just go ahead and drink some Chlorox) We all know that a few drops of Chlorox is also used for making unknown water more drinkable. For decades now. I know two uses with Chlorox to make expolsives also...Like I said, the health Administration has told the world how dangerous MMS can be, we all know how many people all over the world die from absolutely legal medicine every year. (Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley and Heath Ledger to name 3). The abuse of vitamins A, E, C, and others can kill a human also. Just drinking 3 liters of tap water could endanger your life after your body gathers enough salt from your organs in order to make the "sweet" water into "salty" water in your body. Read more and try to reconsider how the MMS works. MMS has cured 75,000 persons in Africa from MALARIA AND YELLOWFEVER. Within 4-8 hours. Not 4-6 weeks! Even Bill Gates was contacted by Jim Humble to promote MMS. His only answer was, :" without the 3 blind tests required from the ADA, no support" He might make good computers, but he hasn't googled MMS yet. GP