People will get hurt and some seriously after the collaspe. Pharmacies will be empty. What do you plan to use when someone is wounded? I wonder if I should start growing poppies.
What are you going to use for serious pain meds...possible surgery?
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Anyone serious about prepping, and can afford it, I'd recommend taking an EMT course, nowadays you can do up to EMT intermediate online, the certificate is not credible for employment purposes without 96 hours of onsite testing (most states) but the information given is all the same. But too your post, I think getting any real pain killers is not possible for most of us, as they are a controlled substance. If you have any home remedies I'd love to hear them.
That's a good idea, I was thinking I might take EMT training. I was hoping someone on the site might give me some ideas about Meds. I know they used alcohol way back when but it doesn't come close to something that would knock you out for surgery.
Depending on how long the collapse goes on for, we will probably go back to biting the proverbial bullet, after a couple of belts of whiskey.
There are certain herbs that can induce a semi comatose state. I am studying about this.
Many meds that we commonly use are plant derivatives.
Anyone want to be my Guinea pig for testing purposes?? Lol
Many meds that we commonly use are plant derivatives.
Anyone want to be my Guinea pig for testing purposes?? Lol
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Would love to find out what your results are, but not willing to be your Guinea pig girl! What plants are you studying to induce a semi comatose state?
Not saying until verified and thoroughly researched and I know more.
willow bark has a pain relief quality...like aspirin...nothing serious. Capsaicin (what makes chili peppers hot) can ease pain in joints/nerve pain...just have a care so you don't get it into ANY orifice...it'll burn like a mother. That is all I know.
Kava-kava (Piper methysticum) combined with valerian induces a semi-comatose state. I don't yet know dosages or durations. I'm just learning. I'll share when i know more. DON'T try this at home, kids!
I suppose you could use ether.
Where/how will you supply yourself with ether?
Need to test it out on a family member that your're not too crazy about. An inlaw perhaps. If you can't find one I could probably get you a list.
I hate burning orfices.
Numerous plants have sedative action. Plants commonly prescribed as aids in promoting sleep include: passionflower (Passiflora incarnata), hops (Humulus lupulus), valerian (Valeriana officinalis), skullcap (Scutellaria lateriflora), and chamomile (Matricaria chamomilla). Some can cause a deep sleep that would be helpful while working on a family member who is a bit excitable. Catnip can help with small children aswell.
Note: Use your head while using these, and find a damn good book to help you out. To much can kill!!
Note: Use your head while using these, and find a damn good book to help you out. To much can kill!!
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++willow bark has a pain relief quality...like aspirin...nothing serious. Capsaicin (what makes chili peppers hot) can ease pain in joints/nerve pain...just have a care so you don't get it into ANY orifice...it'll burn like a mother. That is all I know.
I hate burning orfices.That whole exchange made my gizzard shiver. Ugh!
I didn't read anything about marijuana. Can grow an abundance of that. Just a Lil illegal right now in most states.
I would have added that one, but at the time my 15 yr old was standing over my shoulder.......lol.
Research update: Poppies as I first suggested seems to be a good avenue. What I am reading is it is okay to own and grow opium poppies as long as you don't try to make meds out of them. I see them on many web sites. Let me scratch my wooly head. Okay, let's go on. Opium produces oxycodone, oxycontin and percoset. The proper term is Papaver Sommferum, if I got it right and we can stock pile this as long as it is in seed form or just flowers. With this you can produce opium and herion. The key and from I have read, to all would be producers after the collaspe, is knowing the dosage.
(Again I suggest experimenting on an inlaw that you don't like.)
At this time I would like to interject that what is illegal right now will not be when the collaspe comes because there will be no law. We are talking about survival. I am not advocating breaking laws now...just use your own judgement. I am not a drug user, in fact I hate taking OTC drugs if I don't have to. I go to the doctor once ever ten years. Do I think I'll live into my 80's? Yes.
Back to the subject, I had to throw that out there just incase the Feds thought I was a threat to society. My research also brought me to folks who advocate going to the Vet. Ketamine, Tiletamine are suggested. Topical anethetics- benzoncaine and lidocaine have been brought up and they claim these are good to put in stitches and to clean wounds. Please varify this for me.
Do you remember Laudanum from the 1800's? That was the major pain med but highly addictive. I haven't seen how to make it, perhaps you guys know.
Here's another thing that our animal owning friends might know about...ground up Asprin with DMSO and use as a topical pain reliever.
Okay, the old American Indian (I've been told that this is politically okay) used to use Peyote. If you can't find this available in the So. US. you're not looking. It is easy to grow, indefinate shelf life when dried, easily administered when brewed with tea. I have never personally heard of this as a pain med. it was always promoted as a hallucinogenic but I honestly haven't researched its properties.
So friends, tell me what you think. Tell me what you know.
(Again I suggest experimenting on an inlaw that you don't like.)
At this time I would like to interject that what is illegal right now will not be when the collaspe comes because there will be no law. We are talking about survival. I am not advocating breaking laws now...just use your own judgement. I am not a drug user, in fact I hate taking OTC drugs if I don't have to. I go to the doctor once ever ten years. Do I think I'll live into my 80's? Yes.
Back to the subject, I had to throw that out there just incase the Feds thought I was a threat to society. My research also brought me to folks who advocate going to the Vet. Ketamine, Tiletamine are suggested. Topical anethetics- benzoncaine and lidocaine have been brought up and they claim these are good to put in stitches and to clean wounds. Please varify this for me.
Do you remember Laudanum from the 1800's? That was the major pain med but highly addictive. I haven't seen how to make it, perhaps you guys know.
Here's another thing that our animal owning friends might know about...ground up Asprin with DMSO and use as a topical pain reliever.
Okay, the old American Indian (I've been told that this is politically okay) used to use Peyote. If you can't find this available in the So. US. you're not looking. It is easy to grow, indefinate shelf life when dried, easily administered when brewed with tea. I have never personally heard of this as a pain med. it was always promoted as a hallucinogenic but I honestly haven't researched its properties.
So friends, tell me what you think. Tell me what you know.
Laudanum is an opiate. That's why it was so addictive and ultimately taken off the market.
I've stocked up on topical antibiotic creams. In the not too distant past an infected cut could result in gangrene, limb loss, even death.
There are herbs that contain antiseptic qualities, also.
I'm trying to study herbology. Its a huge subject. I think i have to break it down more.
I've stocked up on topical antibiotic creams. In the not too distant past an infected cut could result in gangrene, limb loss, even death.
There are herbs that contain antiseptic qualities, also.
I'm trying to study herbology. Its a huge subject. I think i have to break it down more.
Brake cleaner and starter fluid are both almost pure ether.
Usually with any insurance, you can get a bottle of 800-1000 mil IB's. Although not much they are better then the standard tylenol you can get at the store. They are also shelf stable far past the expiration dates.
Save their life, destroy their lungs. I like it.
It's a catch 22. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I suppose I can't make the decision until I'm faced with it.
Watch what your doin with Valarian it can and does cause nightmares so im told by a reliable source the wife ....
Ok. I haven't read that, but just beginning my studies. .. Still have a lot to learn about so much! Pass my thanks to the wife pls.
Yes, you have to temper the valerian with other herbals, you have to temper comfrey as well.
If you are talking about "knocking someone out for surgery", I would go with Starting Fluid. It is basically the same thing used in the operating room of 20 years ago. We raise Clydesdale draft horses and we always use Starting Fluid to knock em out when we castrate our stud colts. I just squirt a little on a washcloth and place it over their nose and let em breathe it...sometimes it will take a couple squirts and down they go! Remove the cloth from their nose and simply monitor them while we change them from roosters to hens. If they begin to wake up and move around too much, give em another squirt. We have on occasion put the person holding the horse's head still to sleep also....they survived unscathed! Although they do complain of a headache when they wake up.
Blessings,
Shenandoah
I have EMT training, I would shoot for paramedic at a minimum. EMT is VERY basic.
Are you talking car starter fluid or BBQ starter fluid?
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