TEOTWAWKI 3- You Form a Survival Group of 25 Please Rank Needed Members By Function i.e. Doctor,Etc

[EdwardGein]

First off I confess I'm not anywhere close to doing this but I would like to have a rough plan in the future for getting a group together. Please note that the purpose of this group is to survive TEOTWAWKI and not to promulgate life of Earth (if that happens as an aside, fine), so please respond given that.
The 25 is in addition to you and your family. No kids or couples included unless they both fill a function. There will be a fair share of attractive women because people need heterosexual sex. Here are my rankings. Feel free to make your own rankings and make changes/criticize mine other than the basic premise. If this ever becomes a reality for me, keep in mind that the 25 members would be cross trained.

My 25 Survivor Members in Order of Rank (1 being the most important)

1. Head of Security (Retired High Ranked Military Man)
2. Doctor
3. Dentist
4. Electrician
5.Carpenter
6. Assistant Head of Security (Retired High Ranked Military Man)
7. Botanist
8. Psychiatrist
9. Second Doctor
10. Second Dentist
11. Nurse/Medic
12. Herbologist (Herbal medicine when medicine is no longer available)
13. Second Electrician
14, Second Carpenter
15. Dental Assistant
16. Chef/Dietcian/Nutrionist
17. Mechanic
18. Mechanic
19. 2nd Psychiatrist
20. Psychologist
21. 2nd Psychologist
22-23. Security/Maintenance/Fire Dept Staff
24-25. Bakers

Let me know what changes you would make and/or your group

 

[Maverick]

Gardner, butcher, hunter, experienced wild food forager, black smith, trapper etc...

skip the psyco doctors they a waste of food including chefs/bakers dietician and nutritionist, doctors ain't crap without the proper tools and medications, nurse and or medic far more valuable. You have too many collage boys listed, you need more outdoorsmans. Collage degrees ain't crap in a TEOTWAWKI given for the most parts, ain't no material, tools and power or extremely limited. Rely on your own mind and not someone else's

 

[dpadams6]

Especially, the sissys that today's colleges are turning out.

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[grayghost668]

First off I confess I'm not anywhere close to doing this but I would like to have a rough plan in the future for getting a group together. Please note that the purpose of this group is to survive TEOTWAWKI and not to promulgate life of Earth (if that happens as an aside, fine), so please respond given that.
The 25 is in addition to you and your family. No kids or couples included unless they both fill a function. There will be a fair share of attractive women because people need heterosexual sex. Here are my rankings. Feel free to make your own rankings and make changes/criticize mine other than the basic premise. If this ever becomes a reality for me, keep in mind that the 25 members would be cross trained.

My 25 Survivor Members in Order of Rank (1 being the most important)

1. Head of Security (Retired High Ranked Military Man)
2. Doctor
3. Dentist
4. Electrician
5.Carpenter
6. Assistant Head of Security (Retired High Ranked Military Man)
7. Botanist
8. Psychiatrist
9. Second Doctor
10. Second Dentist
11. Nurse/Medic
12. Herbologist (Herbal medicine when medicine is no longer available)
13. Second Electrician
14, Second Carpenter
15. Dental Assistant
16. Chef/Dietcian/Nutrionist
17. Mechanic
18. Mechanic
19. 2nd Psychiatrist
20. Psychologist
21. 2nd Psychologist
22-23. Security/Maintenance/Fire Dept Staff
24-25. Bakers

Let me know what changes you would make and/or your group

and just what are these people going to do for you hold your hand,,,the more people in your group the more food you must be able to secure and I see no one on that list getting any food,,,,you are not going to have power,mechanic what the heck is he working on,no gas why do you need a shrink,,,
learn to use a gun and learn some basic survival skills if you don't know anything about hunting and fishing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,LEARN,,,IF YOU HAVE OTHERS IN YOUR GROUP BE DAMNED SURE YOU CAN TRUST THEM

 

[grayghost668]

my group at this time includes me,myself and I and the dog,,,,I don't have to worry about him trying to take over

 

[EdwardGein]

Gardner, butcher, hunter, experienced wild food forager, black smith, trapper etc...

skip the psyco doctors they a waste of food including chefs/bakers dietician and nutritionist, doctors ain't crap without the proper tools and medications, nurse and or medic far more valuable. You have too many collage boys listed, you need more outdoorsmans. Collage degrees ain't crap in a TEOTWAWKI given for the most parts, ain't no material, tools and power or extremely limited. Rely on your own mind and not someone else's

You may be right which is why I "a College Boy" posted this. Still take exception to you're disagreement of a shrink/psychologist as I'd need one to initially get a cohesive group together and then later to avoid mental problems and anxieties that would cause problems within the group. Still think a Doctor is more important than a medic but your addition of outdoorsmen (hunter, butcher, etc. ) is a good idea which I hadn't thought of

 

[SheilaT.]

Out of interest, have you ever considered what skills YOU have to offer a group? Can you provide any of those skills you consider desirable?

 

[grayghost668]

my take on having a group may sound harsh to you but most of those on your list are going to be dead weight ,my best advice to someone like you is take a survival class,learn how to build a shelter take up fishing and hunting and learn to use a gun,,,,,,anyone in your group must be 100% trust worthy,,,I have several buddies very good outdoors men,,,,would I take them into my shelter ,,no,because they would want to bring there family and friends with them,.some where down the road they will try to take over,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I DON'T PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS,,,,

 

[EdwardGein]

Out of interest, have you ever considered what skills YOU have to offer a group? Can you provide any of those skills you consider desirable?

Stupidest snide remark ever. I'm the one forming the group. Without me there is no group. Whether I add anything or not is irrelevant. If you want to insult me next time, I love trolls who respond to a thread with something that's not relevant to the thread, at least be intelligent about it.

 

[EdwardGein]

my take on having a group may sound harsh to you but most of those on your list are going to be dead weight ,my best advice to someone like you is take a survival class,learn how to build a shelter take up fishing and hunting and learn to use a gun,,,,,,anyone in your group must be 100% trust worthy,,,I have several buddies very good outdoors men,,,,would I take them into my shelter ,,no,because they would want to bring there family and friends with them,.some where down the road they will try to take over,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I DON'T PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS,,,,

That's fine and I respect what you say but the bottom line is I'm a professional. city raised man with a masters degree and I personally do not get along/relate/feel comfortable with what you call "outdoor types". Yes a few are needed but I prefer to have the majority of my group be people I can relate to and get along with. I'm sure the "outdoorsmen" would feel the same way about me.

 

[Silent Earth]

Stupidest snide remark ever. I'm the one forming the group. Without me there is no group. Whether I add anything or not is irrelevant. If you want to insult me next time, I love trolls who respond to a thread with something that's not relevant to the thread, at least be intelligent about it.

Sallys point is very apt, it makes no difference if you are setting up a group or not, If you have not got useful skills to offer you wont generally get very far. Unless your Masters in is something useful its completely meaningless and valueless. I've met people in both the US and UK who have tried to set up groups with them in wanting to be in charge, but they always fail because people want equal participation and equal skills in a group. I see nothing snide in Sallys remarks. Indeed you are coming across like someone simply harversting information from forums to use for your own devices.

 

[Silent Earth]

First off I confess I'm not anywhere close to doing this but I would like to have a rough plan in the future for getting a group together. Please note that the purpose of this group is to survive TEOTWAWKI and not to promulgate life of Earth (if that happens as an aside, fine), so please respond given that.
The 25 is in addition to you and your family. No kids or couples included unless they both fill a function. There will be a fair share of attractive women because people need heterosexual sex. Here are my rankings. Feel free to make your own rankings and make changes/criticize mine other than the basic premise. If this ever becomes a reality for me, keep in mind that the 25 members would be cross trained.

My 25 Survivor Members in Order of Rank (1 being the most important)

1. Head of Security (Retired High Ranked Military Man)
2. Doctor
3. Dentist
4. Electrician
5.Carpenter
6. Assistant Head of Security (Retired High Ranked Military Man)
7. Botanist

My list and most of my associates always tend to put FARMERS ( Critter and arable) at number 1 as food production trumps all else, but then again most of my associates actually treat all skills EQUALLY, thus if the important issue of the day is FOOD the farmer takes charge, if its health the Medic takes charge, SECURITY the Security Detail takes charge and that is very often NOT a war fighter. Thus most groups dont have " leaders" as such as these are survivalists and preppers not militias and dictators.

 

[jontte]

this is my opinion then;you don't need shrinks if you keep your group active all the time,keep your group working they don't have time to think "bad thoughts"

a group solely of city dwellers?? wouldn't wanna risk my life with them.
and a leader who do not contribute with anything, tends to be short lived when things go bad.

 

[Maverick]

Stupidest snide remark ever. I'm the one forming the group. Without me there is no group. Whether I add anything or not is irrelevant. If you want to insult me next time, I love trolls who respond to a thread with something that's not relevant to the thread, at least be intelligent about it.

Wow now, her point was valid, she wasn't insulting at all but asking a legitimate question, no need for thin skin.. please.

 

[Maverick]

That's fine and I respect what you say but the bottom line is I'm a professional. city raised man with a masters degree and I personally do not get along/relate/feel comfortable with what you call "outdoor types". Yes a few are needed but I prefer to have the majority of my group be people I can relate to and get along with. I'm sure the "outdoorsmen" would feel the same way about me.

Just for the record, Lisa (Wife) is very very educated, she works for the USGS and WSU, she's a scientist primarily a Mineralogist, I gone to College majoring in Forestry. So please don't assume we are a bunch of uneducated folks. If one needs a psycho doctor to hold a group together than the wrong people are in the group, if you don't get along with outdoorsmen then I will say you are going to have a lot of issues given the fact that the outdoorsmen type are going to be the majority in a TEOTWAWKI situation!

 

[SheilaT.]

Stupidest snide remark ever. I'm the one forming the group. Without me there is no group. Whether I add anything or not is irrelevant. If you want to insult me next time, I love trolls who respond to a thread with something that's not relevant to the thread, at least be intelligent about it.

LOL
So the book ain't going so well then?
Actually, it's very relevant and I am one of the many degree qualifed on this site, so my intelligence is moot. Who do you think will join a group if the (alleged) leader has nothing to offer. So unless you have financial, sexual or or other wellbeing necesseties instead of skills or knowledge you're going to be a party of one.

 

[Maverick]

@EdwardGein We all take constructive criticism here from time to time, it's not belittling it's that we all want everyone to succeed in surviving nothing more nothing less and I have taken my share of criticism but I don't take it personally unless it's a direct personal attack and none of that's been displayed here towards you at all and you calling out Sally was unwarranted. We wish to continue your OP given that it is a very important discussion!!!

 

[Silent Earth]

Harrumph !!!!! Give me time served apprentices and life experienced artisans over any and all graduates . Graduates are like lighthouses in a desert, Brilliant but utterly pointless !!!!

 

[Silent Earth]

Just for the record, Lisa (Wife) is very very educated,

She cannot be that bright she married you , you old git

 

[Maverick]

No your right.... she liked my horses

 

[grayghost668]

That's fine and I respect what you say but the bottom line is I'm a professional. city raised man with a masters degree and I personally do not get along/relate/feel comfortable with what you call "outdoor types". Yes a few are needed but I prefer to have the majority of my group be people I can relate to and get along with. I'm sure the "outdoorsmen" would feel the same way about me.

if you think that some one such as me would follow you ,you are mistaken it will be dog eat dog and the weak will not survive,I wish you luck because if it does go to hell,,,,,,,,,,,,,,YOU ARE GOING TO NEED ALL THE LUCK YOU CAN GET

 

[grayghost668]

Stupidest snide remark ever. I'm the one forming the group. Without me there is no group. Whether I add anything or not is irrelevant. If you want to insult me next time, I love trolls who respond to a thread with something that's not relevant to the thread, at least be intelligent about it.

I missed this,,,you know you may start a group but it does not mean you will get to lead it,,,as for Sally's question it is very relevant what can you offer to the group do you have any skills that set you above those that might follow you,,,,it is a very important point not to be taken lightly,you see those you try to recruit are going to ask this same question..............

 

[jontte]

at that point masters degrees have no value,if you don't have anything to give for your group,that's the way it goes.
having skills like hunting,growing food,medic,cobbler,foraging,something useful is what counts,surviving isn't something you learn from books,it's something you have to train,practise and over and over again.
I knew some first aid,but wanted to really know it,so I went back to school and right now I'm a licenced paramedic, I know how to grow my food, I hunt,fish, I can make things from scratch.

and I took and take advice from my fellow preppers here, despite that I did graduate I still don't belive I know all,no I can learn things and will keep on learning until I take my final breath.
would I follow someone just 'cause he or she has a masters degree? nope,never, unless that person has something to give the group.

 

[EdwardGein]

LOL
So the book ain't going so well then?
Actually, it's very relevant and I am one of the many degree qualifed on this site, so my intelligence is moot. Who do you think will join a group if the (alleged) leader has nothing to offer. So unless you have financial, sexual or or other wellbeing necesseties instead of skills or knowledge you're going to be a party of one.

LOL Another internet timewaster who can't focus. The thread was to rank your 25 top Survival Group members by function not to wonder what my function would be. You would never be given a chance to join any group I organized because you can't focus on simple straightforward tasks and questions. As Donald Trump would say, "You're Fired".

 

[EdwardGein]

I missed this,,,you know you may start a group but it does not mean you will get to lead it,,,as for Sally's question it is very relevant what can you offer to the group do you have any skills that set you above those that might follow you,,,,it is a very important point not to be taken lightly,you see those you try to recruit are going to ask this same question..............

Its not relevant to the question which was to rank 25 most important members by function. By not answering that simple straight forward question, the person responding clearly does not know how to focus in getting things done.

 

[SheilaT.]

LOL Another internet timewaster who can't focus. The thread was to rank your 25 top Survival Group members by function not to wonder what my function would be. You would never be given a chance to join any group I organized because you can't focus on simple straightforward tasks and questions. As Donald Trump would say, "You're Fired".

Good lord, you can't come up with a sensible answer to a valid question so you resort to abuse. Good luck with your imaginary group.

 

[grayghost668]

Its not relevant to the question which was to rank 25 most important members by function. By not answering that simple straight forward question, the person responding clearly does not know how to focus in getting things done.

,,,,,tell me this are you organizing this group so you have people to hide behind when things get tough

 

[jontte]

now I know the need for shrinks.....

 

[Maverick]

This isn't college @EdwardGein we don't do exams here. The world don't work the way of a class room, when ask to rank the importance of job/title you are going to get a lot of opinions, in your header you stated "You Form a Survival Group of 25 Please Rank Needed Members By Function" you got a answer to that, your list isn't something we would form and quite frankly that isn't a survival group, that's more a Hilton Tea Party (not the political kind)! That's a list Preppers/Survivalist can't take seriously is a reason you are getting the comments you are getting.

 

[Mountain trapper]

First off I confess I'm not anywhere close to doing this but I would like to have a rough plan in the future for getting a group together. Please note that the purpose of this group is to survive TEOTWAWKI and not to promulgate life of Earth (if that happens as an aside, fine), so please respond given that.
The 25 is in addition to you and your family. No kids or couples included unless they both fill a function. There will be a fair share of attractive women because people need heterosexual sex. Here are my rankings. Feel free to make your own rankings and make changes/criticize mine other than the basic premise. If this ever becomes a reality for me, keep in mind that the 25 members would be cross trained.

My 25 Survivor Members in Order of Rank (1 being the most important)

1. Head of Security (Retired High Ranked Military Man)
2. Doctor
3. Dentist
4. Electrician
5.Carpenter
6. Assistant Head of Security (Retired High Ranked Military Man)
7. Botanist
8. Psychiatrist
9. Second Doctor
10. Second Dentist
11. Nurse/Medic
12. Herbologist (Herbal medicine when medicine is no longer available)
13. Second Electrician
14, Second Carpenter
15. Dental Assistant
16. Chef/Dietcian/Nutrionist
17. Mechanic
18. Mechanic
19. 2nd Psychiatrist
20. Psychologist
21. 2nd Psychologist
22-23. Security/Maintenance/Fire Dept Staff
24-25. Bakers

Let me know what changes you would make and/or your group

In my humble opinion 25 is too many. And you have 4 nut doctor's on your list. Other than trying to make wimps and sissy's out of everyone, what good are they? If I need to talk to someone about my feelings I'll talk to my dog. "High ranked military man" for leader? In my experience most are useless unless they have a written SOP to follow. I think you went too way heavy on educated thinkers rather than doer's. You'd soon have a revolt on your hands when the workers got tired of carrying the college boys. If I was to put together a group I'd focus on people that are capable of doing something useful, like hunters/fishermen, trappers, gardeners, builders, welder/blacksmith, mechanic and others that know how to forage and live off the land. I'd rather have a good nurse than a doctor and everyone would be trained in advanced first aid and crossed trained in all other skills. My group currently consists of myself, my wife and dog. If things turned bad my kids, their spouses and grandkids would meet at my place. This just my opinion and works well in my situation and location. Your needs may be different than mine.