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TexPrep

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Just ordered a nice suture kit and found out you can buy injectable lidocaine.
All that I need now are syringes.
To be honest I was shocked that you can buy injectable lidocaine without a prescription.
The syringes should be easy enough to find considering liberal cities pass em out like candy.
If I'm mistaken about any of this please let me know because I thought for sure it'd be illegal.
 
Oops...
Found out you need a prescription for the lidocaine after all.
Going to talk to my GP next time I see him and see if he'll help me out.
I've been going to him for years and he's always been receptive to giving me scripts.
Plan on speaking to my pain Doc as well.
 
Lidocaine can be dangerous if used improperly, not to mention many people have negative reactions to it. Methemoglobinemia, interfering with the bloods ability to carry oxygen, is part of why many doctors refuse to use it. With that said, it can be sourced OTC and it is good for stopping seizures and heart arrhythmias on top of being an anesthetic. However, the side effects make it generally considered unsafe. Also, with local anesthetics, it is common to add a vasoconstrictor like epinephrine to slow the bodys ability to transport it away from the injection site (common with novocain in the dentist office). So without the epinephrine, suture fast lol!

When I was in jail, I used to get those $0.50 Oragel packets. I would squeeze it into water and, being lidocaine is less soluble in water compared to many other things, it falls right out as a glistening powder (if using a small quantity of cold water - it don't work squirting a gram into a whole cup of water).. I would go out in the day room, line up a tenth of a gram on the table and snort it. When people asked what I was doing, i would tell them coke, and offering them a dab to taste, their eyes about popped out of their heads every time thinking I was insane for openly pulling it out on flag lol. They thought I had a guard bringing it in. Fun times for sure!!!
 
MNwr786 said:
Lidocaine can be dangerous if used improperly, not to mention many people have negative reactions to it. Methemoglobinemia, interfering with the bloods ability to carry oxygen, is part of why many doctors refuse to use it. With that said, it can be sourced OTC and it is good for stopping seizures and heart arrhythmias on top of being an anesthetic. However, the side effects make it generally considered unsafe. Also, with local anesthetics, it is common to add a vasoconstrictor like epinephrine to slow the bodys ability to transport it away from the injection site (common with novocain in the dentist office). So without the epinephrine, suture fast lol!

When I was in jail, I used to get those $0.50 Oragel packets. I would squeeze it into water and, being lidocaine is less soluble in water compared to many other things, it falls right out as a glistening powder (if using a small quantity of cold water - it don't work squirting a gram into a whole cup of water).. I would go out in the day room, line up a tenth of a gram on the table and snort it. When people asked what I was doing, i would tell them coke, and offering them a dab to taste, their eyes about popped out of their heads every time thinking I was insane for openly pulling it out on flag lol. They thought I had a guard bringing it in. Fun times for sure!!!
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If used to numb a local area it's safe.
Dont plan on mainlining the stuff.
I've had lidocaine injections over a dozen times over the years as has my Wife.
Dont plan on using it on strangers for obvious reasons.
 
All I plan on using it for is numbing the area that needs sutures.
 
TexPrep said:
If used to numb a local area it's safe.
Dont plan on mainlining the stuff.
I've had lidocaine injections over a dozen times over the years as has my Wife.
Dont plan on using it on strangers for obvious reasons.
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About half a gram will dissolve in saline solution so just grab a bunch of oragel, extract it (with a very small amount of water then filter and dry), and dissolve it back into sterile saline in a measured manner. I believe it usually comes as a 1% solution where (if you want to get fancy) each mL contains .5mg sodium metabisulfite (antioxidant), .2mg citric acid (stabilizer), 1mg methylparaben (preservative and antiseptic) and 1 part epinephrine for every 100,000 parts lidocaine (vasoconstrictor). Also, never put more than 500mg lidocaine into your body. You can always hit up your local diabetic for syringes too.

Edit: and get the pH to 4.5 (or 7 without the epinephrine) with lye or HCl... The internet says these vials are filled under nitrogen, so I assume oxygen slowly ruins it. I would just make it as needed and skip the additives. But I would boil my saline to sterilize it first.
 
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MNwr786 said:
About half a gram will dissolve in saline solution so just grab a bunch of oragel, extract it (with a very small amount of water then filter and dry), and dissolve it back into sterile saline in a measured manner. I believe it usually comes as a 1% solution where (if you want to get fancy) each mL contains .5mg sodium metabisulfite (antioxidant), .2mg citric acid (stabilizer), 1mg methylparaben (preservative and antiseptic) and 1 part epinephrine for every 100,000 parts lidocaine (vasoconstrictor). Also, never put more than 500mg lidocaine into your body. You can always hit up your local diabetic for syringes too.

Edit: and get the pH to 4.5 (or 7 without the epinephrine) with lye or HCl... The internet says these vials are filled under nitrogen, so I assume oxygen slowly ruins it. I would just make it as needed and skip the additives. But I would boil my saline to sterilize it first.
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Not many people use syringes for insulin anymore,they come in disposable syringes these days and you toss em when they're empty.
But thats some good info about the oragell. I'll definitely look into it if I cant get my GP or my pain doc to work with me.
 
I bought some suture staple kits from Amazon a while back.Cheap, disposable, quick and effective. Yes, still hurt like hell without any kind of pain relief but fast enough it’s over quickly. I figured xylocaine or lidocaine will be scarce if We are having to resort to doing our own medical care so the stapler kits were a trade off.
 
My Native American side (great grandmother was full Cherokee) and red hair genes in my family make lidocaine virtually useless. It's well-known about red heads, but not many doctors know about the indian issues with pain medications. Lidocaine does nothing for me and what little efficacy it has is metabolized extremely rapidly. Fentanyl post-op major surgery for a thecoma removal only lasted 2-3 hours instead of the expected 4. I've had lidocaine blocks wear off DURING two different surgeries on my hand. My dentists can verify this as well. Normal dose lasts exactly 6 minutes in a dentist's chair. Also got no relief with 2% during several Radio Frequency Ablations on my back for chronic disc pain. So when SHTF, I'm in for yet more pain if I get injured. I'd like to say you get hardened to this pain killer issue..........but nope. And the more you try to tell unfamiliar doctors about the problem up front of a procedure, I think they are suspicious of your motives. Only one anesthesiologist has ever acknowledged he was famiiliar with what I was referring to.
 
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Having a Cherokee grandmother and Irish roots has me in the same situation. Yours sounds more pronounced than mine though. But I must admit that my pain threshold is a high one. Had all my children with zero pain meds…and they were far from small, even though I am. I’ve only had one anesthesiologist acknowledge it too. Of course that is only 1 out of 3…and he was many many years ago. Looking back it was hilarious that I remember the surgeon standing right over me, scalpel in hand complaining to the anesthesiologist about “when is she going to go under”! I opened my and eyes and replied, most likely with a slurred voice. But still remember the look of shock on his face! :D
 
And I have talked to many a person of Indian descent who also can relate, including my current dentist who is part Apache. He knows the perfect 'coctail' to give me from onumbing from poersonal experience. Works every time, too, on two caps now. I just hope he doesn't retire before I die. LOL
 
Buttoni said:
My Native American side (great grandmother was full Cherokee) and red hair genes in my family make lidocaine virtually useless. It's well-known about red heads, but not many doctors know about the indian issues with pain medications. Lidocaine does nothing for me and what little efficacy it has is metabolized extremely rapidly. Fentanyl post-op major surgery for a thecoma removal only lasted 2-3 hours instead of the expected 4. I've had lidocaine blocks wear off DURING two different surgeries on my hand. My dentists can verify this as well. Normal dose lasts exactly 6 minutes in a dentist's chair. Also got no relief with 2% during several Radio Frequency Ablations on my back for chronic disc pain. So when SHTF, I'm in for yet more pain if I get injured. I'd like to say you get hardened to this pain killer issue..........but nope. And the more you try to tell unfamiliar doctors about the problem up front of a procedure, I think they are suspicious of your motives. Only one anesthesiologist acknowledged he was famiiliar with what I was referring to.
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Hmmm...cant say I've ever heard of this.
 
The surgery nurse that was in the room telling me about the block wearing off asked me if I was feeling OK. I nattered on and on all about my anesthetic issues and that I was glad the general worked this time. She said "Oh, the general worked but the block didn't. You moved your hand during the operation and they had to dose you again. Plus most people who had as much pain killer as I just put in your IV couldn't even TALK to me, much less make any coherent sense while talking to me." So this former teacher taught HER something new that day about anesthetics. LOL
 
Dave2001 said:
I have a friend that pain killers dont work on, last operation he had the docs gave him enough to kill a reg person and it didnt phase him!!
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Yea, it's certainly a genetic thing. When I was scheduling my oral surgery, they had a few questions about that, they asked me both ~ if I had red hair or if I was native. There is definitely something there. Sometimes it takes a Demerol drip :)
 
MNwr786 said:
Yea, it's certainly a genetic thing. When I was scheduling my oral surgery, they had a few questions about that, they asked me both ~ if I had red hair or if I was native. There is definitely something there. Sometimes it takes a Demerol drip :)
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Last time i had surgery they gave me Demerol and i matabolize it so fast it caused me to quit breathing, Cant take that anymore!!!
 
The only thing the lidocaine ever did for me at the dentist was make me sick afterwards. I blacked out after a root canal from the pain. I usually told them not to bother trying to deaden my tooth for cavities.
 
Obtaining Lidocain Without A Prescription

Below is a running conversation (4 years ago) I was in on a Prepper site regarding the Lidocain & needles I purchased:


2% injectable lidocaine, 50ml multi-dose vial, $17.95. https://www.mountainside-medical.com...02d78df0&_ss=r


Jim Posted: "Crunch: I ordered the Lidocaine by itself. I got spooked trying to order hypodermic needles; figured it best to get the Lidocaine first.
Any advice on ordering the needles? They were flagged to not go into the CART without contacting them first. Thanks".


His Response Back:

"shopmedvet.com is usually where I get them, and no Rx or medical license required to ship to FL. They sell the syringes and needles separately or together as a combo. A 3-5 ml syringe with a 25-30 gauge needle would be a good choice for injecting lidocaine before suturing/stapling a laceration. AHS 3mL Luer Lock Syringe with 27g x 1-1/2in. Needle | Med-Vet International They sell them by the box too. Never had a problem ordering with them, shipping cost is $10 unless you buy over $100 though. They run sales with good prices sometimes, and they don't spam (or sell) your email."
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P.S. on 5/3/22: The links above now require a prescription. What I was told by one medical source is that you need to keep searching as medical suppliers sell openly until they are told to stop. Then another supplier begins selling openly. They are out there; that is how I purchased our supply. Keep searching.

If you need help searching contact me. One of our members is a Pharmacist and has contacts with Canadian suppliers for meds not available in the US. [email protected]
 
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DrHenley said:
Won't let me see it without a paid subscription to the New York Times. HELL NO!
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That's odd, Now when I click it I get what you are getting re: subscribing. Wasn't doing that when I posted the link this morning. I actually sat and re-read the entire article again this morning. I know it was really early and I was really sleepy, but it did stay on the screen for a full read. Weird.
 
TexPrep said:
Just did a little reading on the subject and redheads do indeed need around 20% more pain relievers for them to be effective.
Makes you wonder why.
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Don’t forget the Indian folks too. I’m both, like Buttoni and they have a hard time putting me out too. But, I take pain incredibly well.
 
Buttoni said:
That's odd, Now when I click it I get what you are getting re: subscribing. Wasn't doing that when I posted the link this morning. I actually sat and re-read the entire article again this morning. I know it was really early and I was really sleepy, but it did stay on the screen for a full read. Weird.
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Sometimes I can see NYT articles and sometimes I can't. I think maybe they allow so many free articles per month or something.
 
GeorgiaPeachie said:
Don’t forget the Indian folks too. I’m both, like Buttoni and they have a hard time putting me out too. But, I take pain incredibly well.
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I'm pretty resistant to pain meds myself.
I did do some partying when I was younger but that was three decades ago.
They had me on morphine after my last hip surgery and to get complete relief I had to double the dose.
On the plus side I've always had lower back pain if I stayed in bed more than 6 or 7 hours. I now can sleep for 12 hours or more ...if I'm not careful.
But after all those years of back pain I cant help but Lie in bed and bask in the glow of pain free sleeping.
 
Thanks for the reminder Jontte! I have a few of those, but should get more…just in case they disappear. Not even sure where they are manufactured.
 
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