Am considering starting a militia unit using a rank structure similar to the US Marine Corps for IF & When SHTF / TEOTWAWKI happens.
Starting a militia unit
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SH already started HF. It's a little late for OPSEC, unless you already know and trust everyone you will have in your militia. Likely half of of anyone new you recruit will be FBlie agents/informants.
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Totally agree with Proud Prepper.. Just be very careful as Conservatives are now the target.
@ShadowWolf 13 lives in a pretty red area. If I were him I would look locally, not on a national board.
Had a friend that lived up on Harris Hill overlooking Lowes, but he has tuned his business over to his kids and moved to Texas
Had a friend that lived up on Harris Hill overlooking Lowes, but he has tuned his business over to his kids and moved to Texas
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I personally have no use for a militia, and not sure what good one would be either. I think the government would infiltrate any serious militia and crush one that they deem a threat, after they're labeled a "terrorist" organization of course. We aren't going to war with the government, we aren't going to repeal an invasion and there are no zombies. Heck, we're being invaded now and nobody is doing anything about it.
Well girls, the first rule of militia club is don't call it a militia. It's just a group of guys you've known your whole life that you been four-wheeling, fishing, shooting and drinking beer with since grade school. Officially, you love God, dogs, guns, women, kids, brisket, bacon, baked potatoes and paying income taxes. The rest you keep to yourselves.
Do not make the mistake of naming it a militia. You will be targeted and most likely jailed…same way so many J6ers have been. Name it a Local Watch Group or something similar. Never encourage violence and do not go to rallies. That way, you and your group will still be around and active when needed.
EDIT. Sorry Model. Didn’t read your post until after I posted mine. Seems we are on the same page.
A friend and I had this discussion a while back. There is one way to do it that can help change public opinion of militias. Get t-shirts printed with your militia logo and once a week, dedicate 6 hours to helping elderly people. Mow their grass, do their shopping, whatever they need. The word will spread so fast that your militia is one that cares about their community, not just defending their own group. Thats what a militia does, it protects the homeland, not just the homestead. Be a contributing force in your community and you'll be just fine. you may even change some liberal perceptions about big scary militias!
Edit: you don't need your ar-15's to cut grass. Be smart about it. Make people like your group first, allow them time to trust you. Many people think starting a militia will serve as some loophole for a felon to possess a firearm. If that is the purpose, don't bother. People need to trust you, first step is building that trust!
Edit: you don't need your ar-15's to cut grass. Be smart about it. Make people like your group first, allow them time to trust you. Many people think starting a militia will serve as some loophole for a felon to possess a firearm. If that is the purpose, don't bother. People need to trust you, first step is building that trust!
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Todays situation is not like 100 or 200 years ago , where citizens could grab their rifles and fight an army and have a realistic chance of winning . Militaries of today with weaponized drones , weaponized aircraft , spy satellites , thermal imaging , tanks and such would easily defeat any good old boys running around with their deer rifles and Ar15's and such . I certainly wish the good old boys had a reasonable chance but as of now can't envision them being anything but dead meat . -- I only prepare to survive , not change the world .
What ever you all do, leave the BDU's in the closet. If you go into the woods for training, have everyone wearing Real Tree or Mossy Oak camo. Quickest way to get people in a tizzy is storming around in fatigues...be the grey man.
45. Cheap Uniforms.
Someone donated about 100 various sized Tee Shirts from a failed organization. They are white with red lettering.
We will dye the shirts first in Olive Green. Then we will dye the top of the shirt down to the breast area in Dark green on top of the Olive color, being sure to dye the short sleeves.
Next we will put splotches of Olive Green, Dark Brown and a little tan over the top Dark Green part with the exception of the sleeves. When finished we will have Tee Shirts with definite color patters that we alone will have, and ones that protect our members.
We have inventoried both powdered and wet Rit Dyes and rubber gloves so this can be done upon activation. A simpler way might be to use spray paint for the splotches.
We can take some of the dyed shirts, split them down the middle, and using string turn them into (safety) vests that can be worn over bulky winter clothing.
We have $30 tied up in 100 Tee Shirt uniforms.
You can do the same by buying assorted Tee Shirts at a thrift store because once they are dyed they will all look alike.
Hint: Save the used dye in a large container so later it can be reused as new members wish to dye their own Tee Shirts
Someone donated about 100 various sized Tee Shirts from a failed organization. They are white with red lettering.
We will dye the shirts first in Olive Green. Then we will dye the top of the shirt down to the breast area in Dark green on top of the Olive color, being sure to dye the short sleeves.
Next we will put splotches of Olive Green, Dark Brown and a little tan over the top Dark Green part with the exception of the sleeves. When finished we will have Tee Shirts with definite color patters that we alone will have, and ones that protect our members.
We have inventoried both powdered and wet Rit Dyes and rubber gloves so this can be done upon activation. A simpler way might be to use spray paint for the splotches.
We can take some of the dyed shirts, split them down the middle, and using string turn them into (safety) vests that can be worn over bulky winter clothing.
We have $30 tied up in 100 Tee Shirt uniforms.
You can do the same by buying assorted Tee Shirts at a thrift store because once they are dyed they will all look alike.
Hint: Save the used dye in a large container so later it can be reused as new members wish to dye their own Tee Shirts
I have to agree with this and what @M0del_31 said. For purposes of protecting the homestead and potentially a community when SHTF, it doesn't need to be "a militia". I'd just steer clear of that label like a progressive steers clear of calling themselves a Communist.
You won't win against the government unless the balloon goes up and they are put in the same boat as the rest of us, where technology is useless. If that does happen, your problem won't be the government, but, instead, the lack of it.
Community group, Homestead group....include the women and some things that have nothing to do with guns, instead, focus on general survival techniques, foraging, plant identification, tracking...Skills that would aid in a situation where you might have to be out in the field alone, with limited supplies, for some time. You could even call it a primitive bushcraft group. Even...gasp...Nature, Field and Forestry group.
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I'd refer to the group as something benign like a social club. Do community work and on occasion host a gun safety program. Be under the radar at all times.
Myself i wouldn't organise an militia group and never call it an militia group. OK, it's anyway an different sitzation over here, but if someone get you're organising such an group or your group all wear same camo - then you will spend a lot of time to answer a lot of questions in some quiet governments room.
I take it like @poltiregist - i prepare to survive.
But if it's really needed by time to use an weapon to defend my people then i would do this.
But i do like @Oddcaliber 's idea of an kind of social club or neighbourhood. It's an way to etablish your people in an positive way if you like or need it. But i would stay under the radar with everything else until the day x.
I take it like @poltiregist - i prepare to survive.
But if it's really needed by time to use an weapon to defend my people then i would do this.
But i do like @Oddcaliber 's idea of an kind of social club or neighbourhood. It's an way to etablish your people in an positive way if you like or need it. But i would stay under the radar with everything else until the day x.
I'm a middle aged mom. I have no plans to get my kids Waco'ed, so I'm out of the whole militia plan.
But I love the comments in this thread.
But I love the comments in this thread.
Instead, why don't you create a "Neighborhood Watch" group?
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Look up the term "Asymmetrical Warfare."
Call it the Fishing Club. Everyone goes out fishing and leaves all electronics behind.
You could have weekly, monthly or as many meetings as you want.
Catch fish, share ideas, recipes and feed yourself after each meeting with the fish you caught.
You could have weekly, monthly or as many meetings as you want.
Catch fish, share ideas, recipes and feed yourself after each meeting with the fish you caught.
If you form a Neighborhood Watch Group, be careful when you start it.
Plan it for a long-term disaster.
If not established correctly, the food owners in a community may be adopting all souls living there as well as extended family that may join them later. This may sink your boat.
Suggestions:
1). Guarantee and recognize all food stocks belonging to each household are under that households' control completely, forever. No one else has a right to their food.
2) All agree that when a family begins to run low on food stocks they will move to another house
near the outskirts of the neighborhood.
They will be supported in all manner except food.
That family must take the risks of shopping for their family.
3) If a family wishes to gift food, that is their decision only.
4) Agree that as families move to the outskirts,
other families can move into their homes during the survival period.
5) Therefore, as food runs low, the Preppers with food can consolidate their positions to be neighbored by other Preppers for more stringent protection for the Perppers, while still protecting their struggling neighbors.
Plan it for a long-term disaster.
If not established correctly, the food owners in a community may be adopting all souls living there as well as extended family that may join them later. This may sink your boat.
Suggestions:
1). Guarantee and recognize all food stocks belonging to each household are under that households' control completely, forever. No one else has a right to their food.
2) All agree that when a family begins to run low on food stocks they will move to another house
near the outskirts of the neighborhood.
They will be supported in all manner except food.
That family must take the risks of shopping for their family.
3) If a family wishes to gift food, that is their decision only.
4) Agree that as families move to the outskirts,
other families can move into their homes during the survival period.
5) Therefore, as food runs low, the Preppers with food can consolidate their positions to be neighbored by other Preppers for more stringent protection for the Perppers, while still protecting their struggling neighbors.
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^^^this is one of the dangers of forming any group whatever you call yourself. Are you (or someone in your group) going to take in your daughter's newest boyfriend, his mother and father, sisters and brothers, their significant others and their extended families?
What plans do your neighbors have in that regard? You can suddenly find that your nice little community (yours and those around you) burgeoning with people that were never vetted and you do not know.
If you refuse to take in the boyfriend (his family/friends) and your daughter (or your doctor's daughter and he choses to leave with her) chooses to leave, are you going to be okay with that? Might she or he/his entourage, spill the beans as to your location, preps etc? Lots to think about.
Don't be lulled into a false sense of security that the BOL community and neighbors you have now will at all resemble what you end up with after SHTF.
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@Raining: Everything you say is appropriate.
But if you find a need to organize, all of the uncomfortable issues can be decided up front.
This way individual family responsibility remains with each family.
Yes, the best thing is to hide alone. But sometimes hiding alone may not be the right thing to do.
Sometimes in life we have to make uneasy decisions. In the meantime, lets hope we don't have to.
There will always be risks in some of our decisions. The trick is to see is you can diminish some of those risks placing you in better positions.
But if you find a need to organize, all of the uncomfortable issues can be decided up front.
This way individual family responsibility remains with each family.
Yes, the best thing is to hide alone. But sometimes hiding alone may not be the right thing to do.
Sometimes in life we have to make uneasy decisions. In the meantime, lets hope we don't have to.
There will always be risks in some of our decisions. The trick is to see is you can diminish some of those risks placing you in better positions.
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Agreed but, you can only control yourself, not others; especially when it comes to emotions.
Sometimes, what was originally thought to be acceptable, gets questioned when reality hits and a pregnant SIL is standing there with her two other babies, and you are sending them away to an almost certain death. The resentment can build within a group and cause other long term issues....like I said, a lot to think about and consider.
The way we have approached it:
Any non-family members that we have brought into our group, have no other family or close ties. They are not married, nor do they intend to be. Parents and siblings are either estranged or have left the earth. They do not have children. We are their family and closest social circle.
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True. I think flexibility and the ability to think on your feet is probably invaluable. It will be stressful and no group agrees 100% of the time. Even married couples will struggle.
This is one of the reasons it irks me when people assume they have it all figured out or are excited for a SHTF scenario. I think it will be ugly, no matter how well prepared we are. Prepping only makes it possible to survive, not easy.
@Raining: The way our group worked out that problem was the agreement that if your family adds others, they feed them from their supplies. When their food runs low, they all move to a safe house nearby. And as mentioned above, we support in all ways except for food.
In our case, all important decisions that might occur and are foreseeable, were dealt with in our published plan. All persons joining our group agree to those decisions. Therefore, all members know their responsibilities; can predict the outcome of their future decisions, and know / accept their own risks.
Will the uninvited guests decision be a difficult decision to watch and implement, Yes. But as Survivor 316 points out, there will be a lot of difficult decisions that may or may not materialize.
In our case, all important decisions that might occur and are foreseeable, were dealt with in our published plan. All persons joining our group agree to those decisions. Therefore, all members know their responsibilities; can predict the outcome of their future decisions, and know / accept their own risks.
Will the uninvited guests decision be a difficult decision to watch and implement, Yes. But as Survivor 316 points out, there will be a lot of difficult decisions that may or may not materialize.
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We support in food...as in you will have a place grow/acquire your own, location/land and water; Gear, shelter etc, is up to you.
@Raining: You said " when reality hits and a pregnant SIL is standing there with her two other babies, and you are sending them away to an almost certain death. The resentment can build within a group and cause other issues....like I said, a lot to think about."
We have several policies in place for that.
1) The first you know, your family feeds them and then you all must move.
2) Any family can donate to the cause.
3) Only one person in the group may gift certain common food at the gate.
A maximum amount is donated to the fund, each month, by families that choose to gift.
When that month's allotment is carried out, group gifting stops that month.
4) We can gather intel on food available in town. We can organize and train the needy to proceed safely to obtain it.
We have several policies in place for that.
1) The first you know, your family feeds them and then you all must move.
2) Any family can donate to the cause.
3) Only one person in the group may gift certain common food at the gate.
A maximum amount is donated to the fund, each month, by families that choose to gift.
When that month's allotment is carried out, group gifting stops that month.
4) We can gather intel on food available in town. We can organize and train the needy to proceed safely to obtain it.
I apologize if I am about to sound like a preacher, because I am not.
However, I consider myself as a path finder, in that I see where we are going and what lies ahead for humanity.
Humanity is evolving at this time. We are leaving our old ways behind and we will create more with our minds in our future and less with serf type labor. Therefore a lot of old systems must die first.
So here is my point.
* Before we can create it, we must visualize it.
* Before we can visualize our options and solutions to pick from,
. . we must do as Patch Adams taught us, "Look beyond the problem."
. . If we skip this step, we will frighten ourselves with the problem and believe there can be no solution.
Therefore, we have to start with the knowledge that there are solutions and then search for them.
However, I consider myself as a path finder, in that I see where we are going and what lies ahead for humanity.
Humanity is evolving at this time. We are leaving our old ways behind and we will create more with our minds in our future and less with serf type labor. Therefore a lot of old systems must die first.
So here is my point.
* Before we can create it, we must visualize it.
* Before we can visualize our options and solutions to pick from,
. . we must do as Patch Adams taught us, "Look beyond the problem."
. . If we skip this step, we will frighten ourselves with the problem and believe there can be no solution.
Therefore, we have to start with the knowledge that there are solutions and then search for them.
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During my time in service and all vets agree that one has to cope with a dozen different personalities. Most you get along with but there others you can just tolerate. Same with any group of people. Add in the stress of SHTF and now you have a recipe for disaster. Time to cull the herd is before things get out of hand.
