The Chief Traitor in Charge at Bundy dispute in Nevada has been fired by the BLM......Daniel Love, The POS BLM Agent is now unemployed.....Ethics Violations ? Who would have guessed it ? LMAO......The BLM will take years to wipe the egg off over the whole Bundy situation.....just like Ruby Ridge and Waco.....Obama's clowns will all be brought out into the light....
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Bundy situation????? BLM ??? Black Lives Matter................. My brain is hurting on this one??
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Truly funny. Something was lost in translation to our limey friend!
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Bureau of Land Management.
Oh OK I was trying to imagine what the hell Al Bundy had in common with Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge !!!!!!!
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And then there's Ted Bundy
Ruby ridge was a mishandled tragedy. So was Waco . As far as theBundy vs BLM case I have no Rooster in that fight . Im not impressed with either side .
With respect Sir and as someone I admire you are wrong about Ruby Ridge, I studied this case very carefully from all sides, The Weavers, the Community, local LEOs and the Feds and the FEDS murdered Mrs Weaver in cold blood all because Mr Weaver would not become an informer for them. Nothing accidental about putting a sniper round through an unarmed women holding a baby.
Waco was a Snafu of the highest order.
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^^^What he said...
Where do you see I said different. I studied that case too . Randy Weaver made a mistake trying to make a few $. His Son and Wife were shot and it shouldn't have happened . They could have picked up Weaver in town on a supply run . The whole thing shouldn't have happened.
The Waco case very similar. Big Government going to teach its Citizens a lesson. Make a example .
Nothing in My previous post said different.
At first I supported Bunday then I stopped following them when things become to militant, I lost what remaining respect I had when one of the Bundy son's got involved in the Eastern Oregon stand off. I support Ranchers and open grazing on BLM land but what happen in Nevada and Oregon become too much for me to support, the armed encampment took away from what the true problem is and that's Government overreach and the removal of State Rights and the rights of ranchers and homesteaders!
Just me misreading your post, apologies mon ami
Yup Waco Texas ( whole state is slightly odd
) But of course we all know he coould not possibly be god cos god is an Englishman, everyone knows that even in every Hollywood movie he has a British voice
In both the Weaver and Waco case it was an deadly overzealous reaction by the feds, with that said, fault can be spread out.
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No, he's black with a Southern accentBut of course we all know he coould not possibly be god cos god is an Englishman, everyone knows that even in every Hollywood movie he has a British voice
That is the issue for most part, If you just lay down the Fed's in these cases will do what they want, at some point you have to do more than just talk....The Fed's showed up in Nevada with a show of Force thinking everyone would kneel down.....did not quite work out for them.....In Oregon it was payback time and a man was killed for no reason, The Bundy's have embarrassed them badly.....
BLM has had permit fees since the mid 50s fees that many of us paid and still pay, I stopped paying when I sold my cattle, the thing with Bundy he refused to renew his permit after paying for it for many years, the whole downside started in the late 80s then later in the early 90s. The whole Bundy situation started way back losing many court cases. Fast forward to 2014, after the release of his cattle Bundy demanded the sheriff to disarm park service and deliver the firearms to him and many more demands many of us found unrealistic. The Oregon situation the Hammond's were sentenced for arson regarding his cattle grazing restrictions in the late 90s. while they were in jail in California, the Bundy's decided to take it upon themselves and moved in on the PPN rally here asking the crowed to join them and occupy the malheur refuge pissing off the PPN, even the Hammond's didn't want the Bundy's their and asked them to leave but Bundy and his armed supporters refused, Finicum who was killed by an Oregon State Trooper was one of the armed occupiers, he was killed while reaching for his 9mm after leaving the truck with his hands up, Finicum death I put solely on Bundy, all the occupiers knew the roads was blocked, the only way out was to surrender to authorities at a designated area instead Finicum got on the road and a road block was put up to stop them, instead of slowing down they speed up causing the truck to leave the road. The PPN (pacific patriots network) got so pissed off they walked away early on because of the bundy's.
The damage at Malheur was bologna and similar to something one would see from antifa. In the end two wrongs don't make a right.
And yet they were found Not Guilty in Oregon.......and like a lot of people you don't have all the Facts.....We all have a lot of Fluff thrown at us by the media, IF what the media say's is true they would be in Prison right now with no hope of parole, BUT that has not happened....a Jury listens to the evidence and so far those Jury's are not seeing what the Fed's and the media put out....as far as what the Feds and the media put out about damage at Refuge, Did you see them do it ? I did not either and considering the track record of the Feds making up evidence I don't believe it is as the Government say's.....I never saw Lavoy pull a gun ? never saw a gun until the Feds supplied the photos....would not be the first photos the Feds faked.....how do you know the truck was not struck by bullets prior to it speeding up to possibly swerve away from the gunfire directed at them ? anyone would swerve when a bullet hits close to them especially when driving ? for every government account of what happened it can be easily accounted to be the total opposite....the Feds also lied about killing cattle and broke the Law many times over.....The Daniel Love Thug firing will help show the Feds f'd up again....the BLM firing of Love was probably done just for that reason, make the Agent in Charge look bad and blame all the Laws they broke on a Patsy....in the end the Feds are scared they will have to pay up rather than get paid....
I have a lot of friends in that area ranchers, OSP and with the PPN, he reached for the gun twice, that is in the video, my information doesn't come from the MSM
drt4life your down in West Virginia, where are you getting the information from? Some were released (7) but Ammon Bundy and 18 others are on trial here in Portland 3 already pleaded guilty. I never said Finicum had a gun in his hand, he was reaching for it.
In an interview on January 6 he said on video "I have no intention of spending any of my
days in a concrete box"
And on two cell phone videos by the occupants of the truck;
"After Payne's surrender, Cox and Bundy each started recording cell phone
videos of the confrontation. The videos captured police identifying
themselves as Oregon State Patrol and ordering Finicum to turn off his
engine. Refusing their order, Finicum yelled back that he was going to meet
Palmer and that the only way officers could prevent that meeting was to
shoot him. Finicum yelled at the troopers, "You back down or you kill me
now. Go ahead. Put the bullet through me. I don't care. I'm going to go
meet the sheriff. You do as you damned well please"
I have family in Burns, you can believe all the conspiracies regarding this that's fine, these conspiracies keep the likes of Alex jones in business. Another note, the occupiers don't deny the mess or the damage at Malheur.
Don't get me wrong, I support ranchers but the way this was handled was totally wrong by the occupiers.
No love loss seeing Love gone, he's been under investigation taking moqui marbles from federal land and giving them away plus for abusing his powers at burning man festival, it was primarily him deleting emails regarding the burning man festival that got him fired. After the situation with the bundy's he should have been fired then but he had the support of the BLM director and Harry Reid is why love didn't lose job any earlier.
I watched the videos, I saw no video from the front...so again I don't know for sure and you and I were not there. I saw a pistol that the Feds said was on him, but again that means nothing.....How many people have said, I won't go down without a fight ? Your gonna have to kill me ? Millions have said the same thing, Does that mean they all get shot ? No.....talk is cheap especially on the Fed side...never said anything about conspiracies, I said I don't believe the media or the Feds....and that the Jury's have not found everyone guilty and put them away in any manner the Feds and media say they should be...and now that the Agent in charge has been fired it will make Bundy case even better, the Feds again screwed up all of it....that is just fact, no conspiracies.....and they will continue to lie in any form to try and cover it up....how many lies did Love tell ? how many things were hid, deleted and covered up by Love ? I don't know, but again his firing is very telling on how the Bundy's Trials will end.....Love's firing will put a lot of doubt in any Jury's mind on how truthful and lawful he was in Nevada....and those who were under him in Nevada will be thinking hard whether or not to back Love's account in a courtroom.....this is far from the simple case the government contends.....
We can say we disagree on the shooting.
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/fbi_to_release_video_footage_o.html
In March 2016, the Deschutes County Sheriff's Office and FBI announced that an FBI agent was suspected of firing twice at Finicum and may have gotten help from four other FBI agents in covering up afterward. No other agent has been charged in the case.
Their decision follows the October ( acquittals ) of Ammon Bundy and six co-defendants on the same conspiracy and weapons charges following a five-week trial in the 41-day refuge occupation last winter. Bundy, his older brother Ryan Bundy were considered among the leaders of the occupation.
Other members of the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team involved in the stop of refuge occupation spokesman Robert "LaVoy'' Finicum testified before a federal grand jury that returned an indictment against their colleague, Agent W. Joseph Astarita.
Prosecutors have asked the court for permission to share transcripts of the agents' testimony with a nationally recognized ballistics and trajectory expert who they may call as a witness at trial.
Astarita is accused of firing two shots at Finicum or his truck and then lying about it. The shots didn't hurt Finicum. State police fatally shot Finicum a short time later. Finicum appeared to be reaching for a gun at the time, investigator said. He had a loaded gun in his inside jacket pocket, they said.
The government's case against Astarita rests on videos taken by an FBI airplane flying overhead and cellphone video from Shawna Cox, a passenger in Finicum's truck, as well as ballistics and trajectory evidence developed by the state police crime lab and the Deschutes County Sheriff's Office, the prosecutors said in a recent court filing
( and was Lavoy trying to defend himself or did he start the gun fight ? ) do tell......
Prosecutors have asked the court for permission to share transcripts of the agents' testimony with a nationally recognized ballistics and trajectory expert who they may call as a witness at trial.
Astarita is accused of firing two shots at Finicum or his truck and then lying about it. The shots didn't hurt Finicum. State police fatally shot Finicum a short time later. Finicum appeared to be reaching for a gun at the time, investigator said. He had a loaded gun in his inside jacket pocket, they said.
The government's case against Astarita rests on videos taken by an FBI airplane flying overhead and cellphone video from Shawna Cox, a passenger in Finicum's truck, as well as ballistics and trajectory evidence developed by the state police crime lab and the Deschutes County Sheriff's Office, the prosecutors said in a recent court filing
( and was Lavoy trying to defend himself or did he start the gun fight ? ) do tell......
David Koresh was a real whacko . His followers were as bad for falling for it . He found a cult that had splintered from a larger .
The problem is how the ATF responded . To say heavy handed doesn't come close . Then instead of descalating they called in the FBI . The FBI claimed they never fired a shot and tried to stabilize the situation . But foootage shows lots of rounds being fired from FBI positions. Including one occupied by the same FBI Sniper that shot Randy Weavers Wife at Ruby Ridge . Bill Clinton and Janet Reno were calling the shots in this mess . Eventually firing flamable tear gas and mabey by accident some agents had pyrotechnic tear gas rounds . I think it was 75 Children burnt to death in the bunker . Whole thing could have been avoided if they had simply searved a search warrant. Koresh may have been arrested on Child abuse and the Devideians would look foa another leader .
The dynamics of the Bundy case is different.
Sounds like something I would do .
Ok So was Al Bundy at Waco or was it Peg Bundy at Ruby Ridge ?
Al Bundy Scourge of the Feds
Al Bundy Scourge of the Feds
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