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Cigarette maker BAT claims coronavirus vaccine breakthrough

Testing a vaccine on tobacco plants paves the way towards millions of doses being produced a week

By Oliver Gill 1 April 2020 • 4:26pm
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The world’s second-biggest cigarette maker claims to have made a “significant breakthrough” in the race to find a vaccine for the coronavirus and would be ready to start mass production within three months.

British American Tobacco (BAT), the FTSE 100 company behind Lucky Strike and Dunhill, said it could be producing up to 3m million doses of a vaccine a week by June - far faster than rivals, which are expecting to take at least a year.

BAT intends to start trialling its vaccine in humans as soon as possible. It is running pre-clinical tests and holding urgent talks with US drug authorities to fast-track permissions.
 
KateMTx said:
Wow that's not the company I expected to develop the vaccine. I'm glad for it though. Hopefully it will be available soon.
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Actually, I just heard tobacco companies are used to grow vaccines by creating antibodies on tobacco plants, tobacco companies already have labs for this so they are already setup for this kind of work, I guess they been doing this for years.
 
Maverick said:
Actually, I just heard tobacco companies are used to grow vaccines by creating antibodies on tobacco plants, tobacco companies already have labs for this so they are already setup for this kind of work, I guess they been doing this for years.
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I guess they have to do something for the good of the public considering they literally cause people to die.
 
DrHenley said:
Last I heard, Dunhill was still going strong among pipe smokers. But that was a number of years ago when I was a pipe smoker. (BTW pipe smokers have a longer than average life expectancy)
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I'm surprised at this claim, as I've always assumed that oral cancer--common among people who smoke cigars and who chew tobacco--would get pipe smokers too.

Although--interestingly enough--nicotine seems to protect against Alzheimer's disease. See link below:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...DBAH&usg=AOvVaw1Cjyx1BsK5POALI4yztmeP&ampcf=1

I could see an argument that anything that keeps you mentally sharp into old age would extend life, as mentally sharp people take better care of themselves and are more active. I also suspect that mental sharpness allows an elderly person to be more aware of their environment, so they are less likely to have bad falls or other accidents.

Still . . . tobacco--like any addictive substance--is a tremendously profitable business.

I try to stay away from conspiracy theories, but tobacco companies have been known to falsify and distort scientific findings before to keep their deadly and toxic products on the market, so I wonder about these positive findings concerning nicotine.
 
https://www.instituteofman.com/2014/03/03/pipe-smokers-live-longer/
“According to the Committee, cigar smoke has 4 times as much benz(a)pyrene as cigarette smoke, and pipe smoke ten times as much as cigarette smoke (p. 58). Yet, the Committee found pipe and cigar smoke to be pretty much innocent of causing lung cancer, and even concluded that pipe smokers live longer than non-smokers.”
 
http://eattheplanet.org/surprisingly-smoking-tobacco-from-a-pipe-may-have-health-benefits/
Does Smoking Tobacco From A Pipe Really Have Health Benefits?
This was so shocking and unbelievable to me when I heard it that I had to do more research. The following is a quote from the US Surgeon General report “Smoking and Health” (No. 1103, page 92) “Among the pipe smokers…The U.S. mortality ratios are 0.8 for non-inhalers and 1.0 for inhalers;”. So what does that mean, their study was using a mortality ratio of 1.0 as the mortality ratio for a non-smoker, and what they found is that pipe smokers that don’t inhale have a slightly lower mortality ratio which means that they live slightly longer. That needs repeating…Pipe smokers that don’t inhale live longer that non-smokers according to that study.
 
DrHenley said:
https://www.instituteofman.com/2014/03/03/pipe-smokers-live-longer/
“According to the Committee, cigar smoke has 4 times as much benz(a)pyrene as cigarette smoke, and pipe smoke ten times as much as cigarette smoke (p. 58). Yet, the Committee found pipe and cigar smoke to be pretty much innocent of causing lung cancer, and even concluded that pipe smokers live longer than non-smokers.”
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This is very interesting. I'll have to consider it, but another question occurs to me.

Marijuana was--as the government said--a "gateway drug" to harder substances like cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine. This later turned out to be bologna, but people believe this today, and is one of the biggest arguments against legalization of weed.

Even so, I wonder if pipe smoking can be a gateway to cigarettes . . . which do kill you.
 
I considered pipe smoking, but shied away from it as I was a chronic cigarette smoker who was up to two packs a day. I quit 24 years ago, but I was always afraid that smoking a pipe (with tobacco, as the distinction is important, if you know what I mean) would cause me to relapse into cigarette smoking . . . like an alcoholic taking that first drink after years of sobriety.
 
DrHenley said:
I doubt it. Pipe smoking is very different from cigarette smoking. People do it because they enjoy it, not because they are addicted. You don't see any ten step programs for quitting pipe smoking.
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I have never been a pipe smoker (of tobacco), so I'll have to take your word for it.

Still . . . if pipe smoking is harmless, how would you feel if your 8 year old kid started doing it? I promise I'm not trying to be nasty (you have given me very valuable guidance on several subjects, amd you have--literally--saved me considerable amounts of money in certain ways--your criticism of the Nikon 'scope in another thread is an example, as I didn't know that Nikon was abandoning rifle sights--so I am appreciative. I would have bought an expensive Nikon scope because I like the quality on Nikon cameras and lenses.), but this is a legitimate question.
 
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Kevin L said:
I have never been a pipe smoker (of tobacco), so I'll have to take your word for it.

Still . . . if pipe smoking is harmless, how would you feel if your 8 year old kid started doing it?
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My daughter expressed an interest in pipe smoking and I helped her get started and gave her my most expensive pipe (which I had not smoked). She didn't continue for very long though.
 
I have been an on-again-off-again pipe smoker since the mid 1970s. I stopped a few years ago and decided to wait until I was old enough that the odds of getting cancer from it in the future were nonexistent, and then I would pick it up again.

However, the company that made my favorite tobacco (McClelland Number 5100 Red Cake) went out of business and there is no direct substitute that I can find, so I probably won't.
 
DrHenley said:
I have been an on-again-off-again pipe smoker since the mid 1970s. I stopped a few years ago and decided to wait until I was old enough that the odds of getting cancer from it in the future were nonexistent, and then I would pick it up again.

However, the company that made my favorite tobacco (McClelland Number 5100 Red Cake) went out of business and there is no direct substitute that I can find, so I probably won't.
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But you're wrong. There is a substitute . . . legal in several states for medical purposes . . .;)
 
Although--in fairness to your points about tobacco--I have included large amounts of cheap pipe and chewing tobacco in my preps (vacuum sealed and in the freezer) for medicinal purposes. Please note that Blackleaf 40 was a pesticide with 40% nicotine sulfate. It's my understanding that it's been pulled from the market.

Moist tobacco is excellent at killing leeches, and a tea made from tobacco will kill lice, mites, and ticks in clothing and bedding, as well as in the hair. I was a relief worker after Hurricane Andrew, and lice, ticks, and mites (scabies) were rampant.

Body lice spread disease (head lice and pubic crab lice are not known to spread disease, but I have reasons to doubt this*), as do ticks. Leeches aren't known to spread disease (at least in the U.S., but there are controversial claims that hepatitis and--possibly HIV--can be spread by leeches in sub-saharan Africa).

I have been researching tobacco plants as a medicinal plant for these specific reasons, and have considered including tobacco seeds in my gardening preps.

I still need to learn more before I do this, though.

Does anyone have any ideas?

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* Even if pubic and head lice don't spread disease, I've seen people with severe skin infections with abcesses, pus, and speticaemia with the scratching. This was particularly bad with old folks who have tissue-paper skin to begin with, and weaker immune systems. People with diabetes often have skin problems, so I can't see pubic and head lice as being harmless under SHTF conditions.
 
Kevin L said:
Although--in fairness to your points about tobacco--I have included large amounts of cheap pipe and chewing tobacco in my preps (vacuum sealed and in the freezer) for medicinal purposes. Please note that Blackleaf 40 was a pesticide with 40% nicotine sulfate. It's my understanding that it's been pulled from the market.

Moist tobacco is excellent at killing leeches, and a tea made from tobacco will kill lice, mites, and ticks in clothing and bedding, as well as in the hair. I was a relief worker after Hurricane Andrew, and lice, ticks, and mites (scabies) were rampant.

Body lice spread disease (head lice and pubic crab lice are not known to spread disease, but I have reasons to doubt this*), as do ticks. Leeches aren't known to spread disease (at least in the U.S., but there are controversial claims that hepatitis and--possibly HIV--can be spread by leeches in sub-saharan Africa).

I have been researching tobacco plants as a medicinal plant for these specific reasons, and have considered including tobacco seeds in my gardening preps.

I still need to learn more before I do this, though.

Does anyone have any ideas?

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* Even if pubic and head lice don't spread disease, I've seen people with severe skin infections with abcesses, pus, and speticaemia with the scratching. This was particularly bad with old folks who have tissue-paper skin to begin with, and weaker immune systems. People with diabetes often have skin problems, so I can't see pubic and head lice as being harmless under SHTF conditions.
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Personal experience with tobacco as a kid growing up my grandmother would take a small amount of tobacco mixed with saliva and put on bee stings to draw the stinger out. Worked if you can get past the saliva aspecto_O

As a spray/insecticide it has been used in gardening for years and is even sold commercially. Nicotine sprays are a traditional remedy for a range of pests, including whiteflies, gnats, root and leaf aphids, thrips and leafminers. While commercial nicotine sprays are so potent that they can kill as many beneficial insects as plant predators, homemade "tobacco juice" is short-lived and much milder.

As far as head lice nothing kills them better than oil. Preferably olive oil put on the scalp and hair then covered with a shower cap and left for an hour or so at he time. Smothers the bugs and loosens the nits. Cheap, non toxic and readily available. Leaves the hair well conditioned also but can be a b*&%ch to get out.
 
DrHenley said:
I have been an on-again-off-again pipe smoker since the mid 1970s. I stopped a few years ago and decided to wait until I was old enough that the odds of getting cancer from it in the future were nonexistent, and then I would pick it up again.

However, the company that made my favorite tobacco (McClelland Number 5100 Red Cake) went out of business and there is no direct substitute that I can find, so I probably won't.
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Below is a link for McClelland 5100 redcake.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw1XWysMVGRzzQr8Zqygu0DW&cshid=1585877001811

I hope this helps.
 
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