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DrHenley said:
I have been an on-again-off-again pipe smoker since the mid 1970s. I stopped a few years ago and decided to wait until I was old enough that the odds of getting cancer from it in the future were nonexistent, and then I would pick it up again.

However, the company that made my favorite tobacco (McClelland Number 5100 Red Cake) went out of business and there is no direct substitute that I can find, so I probably won't.
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But you're wrong. There is a substitute . . . legal in several states for medical purposes . . .;)
 
Although--in fairness to your points about tobacco--I have included large amounts of cheap pipe and chewing tobacco in my preps (vacuum sealed and in the freezer) for medicinal purposes. Please note that Blackleaf 40 was a pesticide with 40% nicotine sulfate. It's my understanding that it's been pulled from the market.

Moist tobacco is excellent at killing leeches, and a tea made from tobacco will kill lice, mites, and ticks in clothing and bedding, as well as in the hair. I was a relief worker after Hurricane Andrew, and lice, ticks, and mites (scabies) were rampant.

Body lice spread disease (head lice and pubic crab lice are not known to spread disease, but I have reasons to doubt this*), as do ticks. Leeches aren't known to spread disease (at least in the U.S., but there are controversial claims that hepatitis and--possibly HIV--can be spread by leeches in sub-saharan Africa).

I have been researching tobacco plants as a medicinal plant for these specific reasons, and have considered including tobacco seeds in my gardening preps.

I still need to learn more before I do this, though.

Does anyone have any ideas?

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* Even if pubic and head lice don't spread disease, I've seen people with severe skin infections with abcesses, pus, and speticaemia with the scratching. This was particularly bad with old folks who have tissue-paper skin to begin with, and weaker immune systems. People with diabetes often have skin problems, so I can't see pubic and head lice as being harmless under SHTF conditions.
 
Kevin L said:
Although--in fairness to your points about tobacco--I have included large amounts of cheap pipe and chewing tobacco in my preps (vacuum sealed and in the freezer) for medicinal purposes. Please note that Blackleaf 40 was a pesticide with 40% nicotine sulfate. It's my understanding that it's been pulled from the market.

Moist tobacco is excellent at killing leeches, and a tea made from tobacco will kill lice, mites, and ticks in clothing and bedding, as well as in the hair. I was a relief worker after Hurricane Andrew, and lice, ticks, and mites (scabies) were rampant.

Body lice spread disease (head lice and pubic crab lice are not known to spread disease, but I have reasons to doubt this*), as do ticks. Leeches aren't known to spread disease (at least in the U.S., but there are controversial claims that hepatitis and--possibly HIV--can be spread by leeches in sub-saharan Africa).

I have been researching tobacco plants as a medicinal plant for these specific reasons, and have considered including tobacco seeds in my gardening preps.

I still need to learn more before I do this, though.

Does anyone have any ideas?

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* Even if pubic and head lice don't spread disease, I've seen people with severe skin infections with abcesses, pus, and speticaemia with the scratching. This was particularly bad with old folks who have tissue-paper skin to begin with, and weaker immune systems. People with diabetes often have skin problems, so I can't see pubic and head lice as being harmless under SHTF conditions.
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Personal experience with tobacco as a kid growing up my grandmother would take a small amount of tobacco mixed with saliva and put on bee stings to draw the stinger out. Worked if you can get past the saliva aspecto_O

As a spray/insecticide it has been used in gardening for years and is even sold commercially. Nicotine sprays are a traditional remedy for a range of pests, including whiteflies, gnats, root and leaf aphids, thrips and leafminers. While commercial nicotine sprays are so potent that they can kill as many beneficial insects as plant predators, homemade "tobacco juice" is short-lived and much milder.

As far as head lice nothing kills them better than oil. Preferably olive oil put on the scalp and hair then covered with a shower cap and left for an hour or so at he time. Smothers the bugs and loosens the nits. Cheap, non toxic and readily available. Leaves the hair well conditioned also but can be a b*&%ch to get out.
 
DrHenley said:
I have been an on-again-off-again pipe smoker since the mid 1970s. I stopped a few years ago and decided to wait until I was old enough that the odds of getting cancer from it in the future were nonexistent, and then I would pick it up again.

However, the company that made my favorite tobacco (McClelland Number 5100 Red Cake) went out of business and there is no direct substitute that I can find, so I probably won't.
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Below is a link for McClelland 5100 redcake.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw1XWysMVGRzzQr8Zqygu0DW&cshid=1585877001811

I hope this helps.
 
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DirtDiva said:
Personal experience with tobacco as a kid growing up my grandmother would take a small amount of tobacco mixed with saliva and put on bee stings to draw the stinger out. Worked if you can get past the saliva aspecto_O
As a spray/insecticide it has been used in gardening for years and is even sold commercially. Nicotine sprays are a traditional remedy for a range of pests, including whiteflies, gnats, root and leaf aphids, thrips and leafminers. While commercial nicotine sprays are so potent that they can kill as many beneficial insects as plant predators, homemade "tobacco juice" is short-lived and much milder.

As far as head lice nothing kills them better than oil. Preferably olive oil put on the scalp and hair then covered with a shower cap and left for an hour or so at he time. Smothers the bugs and loosens the nits. Cheap, non toxic and readily available. Leaves the hair well conditioned also but can be a b*&%ch to get out.
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I brought it up before, but I wonder why we can't use dog flea and tick shampoo to kill lice post SHTF.

I guess I'm a lttle fixated, as I can't stand lice. I caught lice when I was a relief worker after Hurricane Andrew (we couldn't bathe or wash our clothes regularly), as we were all in close proximity to each other in tents.

You feel nasty, dirty, and disgusting.

The itching was awful, and having to focus on your work for 18 hours while knowing you were infested with insects is not pleasant.

Desperate people stole much of my clothing when I did get a chance to wash, as I hung the laundry on a clothesline.

So, I was stuck with fewer clothes, less chances to do laundry, and got lice.
 
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Kevin L said:
I still need to learn more before I do this, though.

Does anyone have any ideas?
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We learned in the Army, if you are in a survival situation, realize that you have gotten some worms or something in your stomach and intestines, take the amount of tobacco of about 1/3 of a cigarette and eat it. The nicotine will make you nauseaous but it will kill most stomach worm, band worms and such. ONLY REPEAT ONCE!! Nicotine is used in our National Parks in needles and air guns to kill even bears...
A neighbors' child was rushed to the hospital for poisoning symptoms and checked, slowly dying from SOME poison, they could not designate which poison the child has taken and could not give any antedote. Till one of the medics noticed the father had cigarettes in his pocket. The lab tests showed a positive on nicotine and the child was saved in the last minute...Later they found out that the child had chewed on ONE cigarette butt found in an ashtray....beware parents and grandparents of ashtrays in lower places and children...GP
 
But smokers are good tax payers.
1. the pay tobacco taxes,
2. because of the nicotine, they are usually more active,
3. If they have other chronical deseases, such as diabetes, the do not suffer so long as non-smokers, good for the health care funds.
4. especially if they are aged, they die earlier, good for the pension funds.
Similar is the output of Corona, mayby BAT want's to fight a competitor :eek:
 
Urbanprep said:
Your past post must have been before my time. :) So can you use dog flea and tick shampoo? Inquiring minds want to know.
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That's what I've been trying to find out.

When you wash your dog with flea and tick shampoo, you get it all over you (especially if your dog doesn't like being bathed). I've noticed that the active ingredients in dog flea and tick shampoo are different from the toxins in lice shampoo like Rid.

I've been trying (on and off) to get a difinitive answer as to whether dog flea and tick shampoo could be used in an emergency for lice in people, because--if the chemicals in this pet shampoo are different that what's found in something like Rid--then the shampoo would probably work for those lice that have evolved to become resistant to pyrethrins (the active ingredient in Rid).

I've been trying to get an answer to this puzzle from a source that I trust before running my mouth on a forum, someone tries it and then something awful happens like a reaction, something gets absorbed through the skin and somebody ends up in the hospital, and so on.

This is a big deal to me because lice spread disease, and always plague people who are refugees during SHTF conditions. Lice killed more people in WWI and WWII than bullets, mortars, flame throwers, and hand grenades combined. The diseases spread by lice can often be treated with good nursing care, fluids, and antibiotics . . . but the treatment is complicated, costly, time consuming, and uses up huge amoumts of resources. The survivors of such diseases are often debilitated for quite a while, so they are dependant upon constant care and are unable to be productive . . . often for months.

In addition, lice are also strongly suspected (but not absolutely proven, mind you) of being able to carry bubonic plague in the way that fleas do (although some things are slightly different about how the diseases are transmitted by fleas vs. lice, but these details are not relevant to my points). Bubonic plague--even though it can be treated with antibiotics--is an aggressive, nasty, extremely contagious disease, and is something that should really, really, really be avoided at all costs in a survival situation.

In my mind, the more options we have for dealing with this situation, the better.

This is why I'm intensely interested in dog flea and tick shampoo.
 
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DrHenley said:
http://eattheplanet.org/surprisingly-smoking-tobacco-from-a-pipe-may-have-health-benefits/
Does Smoking Tobacco From A Pipe Really Have Health Benefits?
This was so shocking and unbelievable to me when I heard it that I had to do more research. The following is a quote from the US Surgeon General report “Smoking and Health” (No. 1103, page 92) “Among the pipe smokers…The U.S. mortality ratios are 0.8 for non-inhalers and 1.0 for inhalers;”. So what does that mean, their study was using a mortality ratio of 1.0 as the mortality ratio for a non-smoker, and what they found is that pipe smokers that don’t inhale have a slightly lower mortality ratio which means that they live slightly longer. That needs repeating…Pipe smokers that don’t inhale live longer that non-smokers according to that study.
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I wonder if pipe-smokers tend to be a certain "type" of person and there are other factors coming into play here?
 
KateMTx said:
I wonder if pipe-smokers tend to be a certain "type" of person and there are other factors coming into play here?
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I agree with you, but maybe I'm narrow-minded on the subject. I've been conditioned by my work in healthcare to think of tobacco as being a deadly, addictive poison that has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

But--then again--maybe that's just my own closed-mindedness.
 
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