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TexasFreedom

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I have shot out tires and even placed a shot into the grill, before the driver changed his mind about making me road kill. The next shots wold have been into the driver and I would not have stopped shooting until the gun ran dry. I never want to have to shoot a person but if I do shoot, I will empty the gun.
 
Easier said than done. The police officer is a human being also. Pulling the trigger on someone could not be easy. And afterwards, they will have to live with the knowledge that they took a life. Maybe justified but they still have to live with it. I would really have a problem being a police officer. I truly respect anyone who choses that profession.
 
Easier said than done. The police officer is a human being also. Pulling the trigger on someone could not be easy. And afterwards, they will have to live with the knowledge that they took a life. Maybe justified but they still have to live with it. I would really have a problem being a police officer. I truly respect anyone who choses that profession.

Jack, that is what training is all about. If you are going to carry a weapon, FIRST you need to make a decision. Either you can & will use it as lethal force OR you should not carry that weapon because it will be used on you and yours. Either you understand this or you have no business carrying a firearm.
 
Jack, that is what training is all about. If you are going to carry a weapon, FIRST you need to make a decision. Either you can & will use it as lethal force OR you should not carry that weapon because it will be used on you and yours. Either you understand this or you have no business carrying a firearm.
This is part of why I don't carry. I don't KNOW that I could kill another human being.
I respect our police and military for doing what has to be done and defending. In situations like this I completely understand the "keep shooting till there's no threat" and this is why I don't agree with the people who scream "overkill" when someone is shot 23 times. (What I do take issue with is when a gun never should have been fired in the first place, but that is clearly not the case here.) And I believe that one can never truly understand until they have been put in a situation like this so we should not judge what we do not understand.
 
TexasFreed0m, I totally agree with you but while someone says they can do it (and probably will), it will still have an impact upon their conscious. Especially the first time. Truth is, if it doesn't, should they really a police officer? As Kate points out, once they start shooting, empty the gun to neutralize the threat.

I am not saying they should not use the weapon, they have to, for their own protection. My point is the "aftermath" when the officer starts questioning themselves and if they acted correctly.

That is the time my prays go out to the officer (or soldier).
 
I get Kate's point. Women usually are far more sensitive and unable to make that decision. But reality is this: the day may come when it is a him-or-me scenario. The thug is going to take you out, or you are going to take him out. Somebody is going to die. If it is me, I want to have a vote if it is him or me. That is why I carry. Nobody will ever see my weapon until I've decided to use it and have pulled it out. And at that point nobody else's opinion will matter.

Jack, yes, there will be psychological consequences. That's where training happens to help me make the best decision in the moment, and looking back will not matter... hindsight is always 20/20 (or at least better). I'd rather deal with those issues than push up daisies. That's what matters.
 
I get Kate's point. Women usually are far more sensitive and unable to make that decision. But reality is this: the day may come when it is a him-or-me scenario. The thug is going to take you out, or you are going to take him out. Somebody is going to die. If it is me, I want to have a vote if it is him or me. That is why I carry. Nobody will ever see my weapon until I've decided to use it and have pulled it out. And at that point nobody else's opinion will matter.

Jack, yes, there will be psychological consequences. That's where training happens to help me make the best decision in the moment, and looking back will not matter... hindsight is always 20/20 (or at least better). I'd rather deal with those issues than push up daisies. That's what matters.
I disagree with you about women being more sensitive, and, somehow, less inclined to pull the trigger.

1) Ludmillia Pavelichenko (I may have spelled her name wrong) was probably the second most lethal sniper in military history. The Nazi high command sent 36 of their best snipers to take her out, and she sent all 36 home in body bags. The Nazis were reduced to trying to bribe her on the battlefield with bullhorns offering her money, unlimited shopping, a beautiful home, and so on if she would only defect. She usually killed these officers as well. She had 307 confirmed kills....which means that her actual number was probably closer to 500 or so.

Good for her.

As a Jew, I'd shake her hand and feel deeply honored to do so.

2) Studies seem to indicate that many soldiers become secretly squeamish on the battlefield, and deliberately miss when shooting at the enemy because they can't stomach the idea of taking a human life when push comes to shove.

3) Among Native Americans, it was usually the women who did all of the torture.

4) It's an open secret in shooting circles that women--for whatever reason--have a much steeper learning curve when it comes to pistol and rifle. I, personally, learned to shoot from a female instructor . . . who could castrate a housefly from 200 meters with her 7mm Remington 700.

5) I was working as a paramedic in Miami in the late 80s, and there was a rash of murders in the underworld where the hitter was never caught. I always believed (and I wasn't alone in my opinion) that the hitter was a woman. Always a small-caliber pistol up close. Usually a .25 ACP. And--if we were right about it being the same person--she had a body count of around 17 victims. This assassin was believed to work for Colombian drug lord named Griselda. I met her once at Jackson Memorial Hospital, and she was one of the scariest human beings (assuming, of course, that you want to call her that) that I've ever met. She had dead, reptillian eyes....the eyes of a conscienceless sociopath. I don't consider myself a coward, but she really frightened me on a very deep level.

So I respectfully disagree with you on this point about female sensitivity. Post SHTF, I believe that male chauvanism may get a lot of rapists killed.

And this is as it should be.
 
Kevin, I agree 100 percent. Women just like men can and will kill if needed. It does not take much muscle to pull the trigger.
 
Kevin, there will always be an exception. There is even a saying "men cannot compete with women when it comes to love and war."

But I think if you randomly pick 100 men and 100 women. Here's a true example I heard yesterday on the radio. A soldier is deployed in Kuwait, gets on a bus with a bunch of soldiers. The Sgt gives him a handgun with live ammo, tells him that he's the only person with live ammo on the bus and to sit in the first seat. The driver is a local muslim person. The Sgt tells him if the driver stops following the bus in front, if the driver stops the bus, if the driver pulls out a cell phone, if the driver does anything wrong, to shoot and kill the driver immediately. Now if you put those 100 men and women in that seat, I believe far more men would be willing to shoot than women.

Yes, a women is capable of killing someone they hate. But it is more difficult for them to kill a random stranger. We can both give lots of examples, maybe we just have different opinions.
 
1) Ludmillia Pavelichenko (I may have spelled her name wrong) was probably the second most lethal sniper in military history. The Nazi high command sent 36 of their best snipers to take her out, and she sent all 36 home in body bags.
Arlo Guthrie's father Woody Guthrie wrote a song about her.
 
Women maybe or at least exhibit more emotion but IMHO, they can be just as lethal or deadly as any man. I watched too many women in martial arts tournaments and trust me, they can be down right vicious. I would not want to fight them and I was trained too.
 
I don't think it has nearly so much to do with gender as it has to do with the way I see the world. I believe that hurting/killing others is wrong, and even though I believe in exceptions, because I have never been put in such a situation, they are (to me) theoretical and I tend to over-think things anyway. But the fact remains that because I am unsure, I don't want to become a liability for other people because someone takes my weapon and uses it on myself and others.
 

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