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Wow. A gov't job that offers a pension. That's like getting an IOW from a homeless guy. Good luck collecting on that some day! If you're collecting a pension today, get every penny you can... I predict that it will be going down and down until it's meaningless.

Here's an example. A few years ago I heard from a Russian student who had a 'full scholarship'. It was a joke. What once would have paid for a tuition & living, it now literally would pay for one meal. Whether it is 'real' inflation (vs the govt's 'fake' inflation number), or it's lack of funds or 'returns', I think any true pension is going the way of the dodo bird.

But I will do full disclosure: I am anti-pensions. I think there is no reason for a company to take a lifetime risk on you. They can't predict what health care will cost. Or how long you will live (what if everyone starts living 200 years?). Or what 'fund returns' will be. I think an employer should offer a good salary for a good day's work. When the employee leaves, the relationship ends and neither owes the other. Responsibility falls on the individual (both employees and employers) to save for their own retirement. But that's my opinion.
 
"Profit warnings hit crisis-highs as market turmoil wracks UK plc
Turbulence takes it toll on corporates as economists warn that only the US Fed can end the market panic

Profit warnings have rocketed to their highest levels since the financial crisis amid growing market fears that the global economy is on the brink of a major new downturn.

Figures compiled by Ernst & Young show that UK-listed companies have issued 313 downgrades over the past year, the most since 2008.

The gloom intensified in the last three months of 2015, when the proportion of companies that said they would fail to meet their targets rose to its highest level since the dotcom crash in late 2001.

The pain from these falls “has been pushed down the supply chain” said Alan Hudson, EY’s head of restructuring for UK and Ireland, as oil producers have pulled back on capital expenditure and cancelled contracts. These businesses have “been at the sharp end, hit hardest and soonest”."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...is-highs-as-market-turmoil-wracks-UK-plc.html
 
I just read this entire thread. I'm not a doom and gloom kind of guy, but have to admit the economy is on thin ice. You would have to be blind to not see that we can't sustain the bubble we have created. My best advice to all is learn to grow at least some of your food, learn basic skills to fix things yourself, and try to get out of debt.
 
Friday on the radio. I heard the feds are trying to figure out if they can legally have a negative interest rate. Its never been done nor sustainable but are starting to think they have no other choice. They raised it a tiny
fraction and then now dropped and want to do it some more to the negetive. Its not a good sign.
 
Things are tanking big time - job losses, currency devaluations, company defaults, insolvencies, the entire economy is based on debt. Debt cant keep going for ever it has to fail at some point. China is just debt on debt, and is is now tanking, despite global stocks rising a bit the last week China markets were down nearly 7% yesterday that is a massive one day correction.

What is going on in RSA my wife family telling me Sabie in (old eastern Transvaal) Mpmalanga, they have put the white population in house arrest if any leave their house they are attacked and all the police are black and actually enforcing it, then barricade all the entrances to the town!! I went on honey moon to Sabie great place. I think it is a sign of things to come in South Africa.
http://www.tourismupdate.co.za/Home/Detail?articleId=106541

The article you linked to was from the economic collapse blog, best sites below to get an idea what is really happening with the economy.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/
http://www.zerohedge.com/
 
2008 type sub prime loan defaults at the door.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-subprime-auto-loan-meltdown-is-here


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Citi: Risk of global recession rising

"The risk of the global economy falling into a recession is rising as fundamentals remain poor, analysts at Citigroup said in a note Wednesday.

"We are currently in a highly precarious environment for global growth and asset markets after two to three years of relative calm," Citigroup said, noting that global growth was "unusually weak" in the fourth quarter at around 2.0 percent on-year.

"The most recent deterioration in the global outlook is due to a moderate worsening in the prospects for the advanced economies, a large increase in the uncertainty about the advanced economies' outlook (notably for the U.S.) and a tightening in financial conditions everywhere," the bank said.

At the same time, fundamentals remain poor, including concerns about a structural and cyclical slowdown in China and its "unsustainable" currency regime, excessive leverage and rising regional risks, such as the risk the U.K. may exit the European Union, it said. "

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/25/citi-risk-of-global-recession-rising.html
 
Things are tanking big time - job losses, currency devaluations, company defaults, insolvencies, the entire economy is based on debt. Debt cant keep going for ever it has to fail at some point. China is just debt on debt, and is is now tanking, despite global stocks rising a bit the last week China markets were down nearly 7% yesterday that is a massive one day correction.

What is going on in RSA my wife family telling me Sabie in (old eastern Transvaal) Mpmalanga, they have put the white population in house arrest if any leave their house they are attacked and all the police are black and actually enforcing it, then barricade all the entrances to the town!! I went on honey moon to Sabie great place. I think it is a sign of things to come in South Africa.
http://www.tourismupdate.co.za/Home/Detail?articleId=106541

The article you linked to was from the economic collapse blog, best sites below to get an idea what is really happening with the economy.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/
http://www.zerohedge.com/
Things are burning around the country, but they haven't put white poeple under house arrest, just reccomended they stay home till things calm down. I have created a thread under Southern Africa with the title "Violent protests for the last week." there i've posted pics of what has been going on around the country, thanks for the info on the pages, when i get a wee bit of time i will go and have a look.
 
Things are tanking big time - job losses, currency devaluations, company defaults, insolvencies, the entire economy is based on debt. Debt cant keep going for ever it has to fail at some point. China is just debt on debt, and is is now tanking, despite global stocks rising a bit the last week China markets were down nearly 7% yesterday that is a massive one day correction.

What is going on in RSA my wife family telling me Sabie in (old eastern Transvaal) Mpmalanga, they have put the white population in house arrest if any leave their house they are attacked and all the police are black and actually enforcing it, then barricade all the entrances to the town!! I went on honey moon to Sabie great place. I think it is a sign of things to come in South Africa.
http://www.tourismupdate.co.za/Home/Detail?articleId=106541

The article you linked to was from the economic collapse blog, best sites below to get an idea what is really happening with the economy.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/
http://www.zerohedge.com/
I think the states have enjoyed more security and stability than most of the world for a long time now, but I see change on the horizon. If you look at history, the power struggle from groups trying to be in control always bring down what was built. Find a quiet part of the country to lay low my friend. Mobs are dangerous animals, and the savagery of what people are capable of when enraged is scary. Here, in the states, we see on the news the horrible things happening all over the globe. No one I work with is even slightly considering that it can happen anywhere. Always keep your ears and eyes open, and if things start getting too bad, run. Always remember, in Germany when the nazis started taking over, the Jews that decided to leave early on survived. The ones that hesitated too long no longer had the option of leaving.
 
Hell the way things are going on here in the States it won't take long when the downward spiral takes in affect us whites will have to start watching our backs or the "uncle toms", more so then already have but now watching our backs is considered racist But what's even sadder is the self hating white liberals have no clue what will happen to them. They think they are immune. I wish we could all get over this crap. But that's obviously not happening. I though this was just an American problem. I was obviously wrong.
 
hell yes, we are already there. 50 million American adults can't beg, borrow or steal $1000 cash, if they sold everything they owned.
 
In looking back over this thread, last January I mentioned that gov't pensions are nearly worthless ("an IOU from a homeless guy").

And look at today, Illinois state pensions are funded at 23%. Typically you want it 80-90% funded. Slow motion disasters.
 
The financial collapse is a long time coming - there is so much manipulation but things are now starting to hit the wall. Central banks are starting to cut back in QE and low interest rates as they have come to realise it is not helping. Once the juice is cut off things will fall over quickly, interesting October coming up with potential gov shutdown. The left liberals during the G20 went mad it is a bad sign of things to come.

"It's Too Late" - 7 Signs Australia Can't Avoid Economic Apocalypse
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...igns-australia-cant-avoid-economic-apocalypse
 
there's 300+ million guns in the US, 10 million motorcycles. There's ATVs', boats, ultralight planes. Our country has been crossed in 8 days on a bicycle. People can sell off a lot of stuff, if need be. We're not all ignorant peasants, with no gear, like the Jews were in the 1930's. We are also aware of the precedent. It's not going to be just a question of rounding up the sheep, here.
 
Who are you going to sell your stuff to in an economic collapse? I would think most would only want to buy necessary items at that point. Besides, money itself of would be worthless. Better to do trading at that time.
 
who said anything about selling anything? If the collapse is worldwide, about the only thing of value will be food, .22lr guns and ammo, silencers for same, and medicines, mostly antibiotics, but painkillers, sedatives, speed, and wound-treatment stuff will be sought by some. If it's just the collapse of one nation, yeah, gold coins will probably get you to someplace that's not nearly as bad off.

for now, build all the credit card CREDIT that you can, and rent an apt. If you see serious signs of shtf, THEN use the cards to buy all the gold coins, powdered veterinary meds and .22 ammo that you can. Dont HAVE a home that anyone can come foreclose upon, increase the taxes on, or that has any sentimental value to you, cause you can easily have to abandon it. The debt wont mean a thing once shtf, cause nobody's going to be collecting upon it. We'll be tossed back into time, worse than the 1800's in many cases, cause the animals will all be eaten inside of 2 months. There's almost no non-hybrid seeds, there' no horse-drawn farm implements, and cause the great depression didn't have 200 million, well armed, entitled, incompetent bullies running around on motorcycles, ATVs, Jeeps, ultralight planes, powered boats, etc. shtf is going to be hell on earth.
 
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Wow. A gov't job that offers a pension. That's like getting an IOW from a homeless guy. Good luck collecting on that some day! If you're collecting a pension today, get every penny you can... I predict that it will be going down and down until it's meaningless.

Here's an example. A few years ago I heard from a Russian student who had a 'full scholarship'. It was a joke. What once would have paid for a tuition & living, it now literally would pay for one meal. Whether it is 'real' inflation (vs the govt's 'fake' inflation number), or it's lack of funds or 'returns', I think any true pension is going the way of the dodo bird.

But I will do full disclosure: I am anti-pensions. I think there is no reason for a company to take a lifetime risk on you. They can't predict what health care will cost. Or how long you will live (what if everyone starts living 200 years?). Or what 'fund returns' will be. I think an employer should offer a good salary for a good day's work. When the employee leaves, the relationship ends and neither owes the other. Responsibility falls on the individual (both employees and employers) to save for their own retirement. But that's my opinion.


They'd have to triple what they pay if this were done, but that would be a great deal for the employee. I've always preferred cash to medical bennies or pensions. I can MAKE money with the cash.
 
If the US goes under, nearly everyplace is going under with it.. Some a lot faster than others, tho. There are many areas in the US where moving a very few hundred miles will change your temps by 40F degrees, cause it changes your elevation above see level by 5000 ft. :) There's a few places that moving less than 100 miles will do so. That's bicycle stuff, folks. Move in fall and spring and avoid both heat and cold. Get a couple of 20 acre, $120 a year "mining claims'. Rent one of those bumper-mounted mini-backhoes, dig a hole back into a hillside, back an old van into the hole, cover it with a cammo net, debris and dirt. You'll have a lockable, low cost shelter that keeps out rain, wind, sun, rodents, snakes, mosquitoes, and flies. Unfortunately, ants, spiders and roaches CAN sometimes find a way in, especially the ants. The roof will rust thru in just a couple of years if you dont spray it with Rustoleum (once a year) and arrange for a plastic cover and proper drainage of moisture.
 
"Build all the credit card debit you can". . . Really?? Not sure about your way of thinking. Most people are trying to get out of debt as much as possible. Like paying off cars, homes, etc. Doing that reminds me of those idiots on a reality show that bought into the world ending Dec 2012. . . they bought all the supplies they thought they would need to survive on credit cards laughing it off, saying that they will never have to pay it back cause the world would end as we know it and there would no longer be banks around to collect. I wonder how they are doing now? We don't buy credit. If we want it, we save till we have the money. . just makes life easier for us.
 

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