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Right now the people in PR are living without electricity, running water, grocery stores, transport, etc. I just heard reports of many getting ill from drinking the standing water. Not being able to get to a hospital just makes this worse. I'd really like to hear some first hand accounts of how people made their lives easier during these or other disasters. Stories seen or read about are welcome as well. I hope we can all learn things from these real world events as none of us are ever completely safe from a life changing event.
 
You may want to say Southeast Texas. . . it was so much bigger than just Houston even though that is mainly what you heard about.
Good point. The media made the majority about Houston, but it was a huge area that got affected. Even S Fla. was an understatement. We lost power for 4 days and had trees down all the way up to the N. Ga. state line.
I did learn that I'd like to get some more candles. I also want more food that doesn't need much in the way of prep or cooking. I also learned that the propane conversion on the generator was one of the smarter things I've done. Having the 500lbs of fuel that never goes bad is a huge plus. We never lost water here, but having a few different options to filter the creeks, and the ability to boil if necessary also gives peace of mind. Still want a well, but that's a big ticket item.
 
Modern civilizations takes so much for granted never contemplating 'what if's' Even with us that do plan for such events we shouldn't get complacent, I've had my plans stretched to the point of it being unworkable, in a crises many events can take place within a single crises, contingency planning is everything and this is where I failed in past events, lack of maintaining a form of mobility will break most contingency plans period.

The Pacific Northwest is a setting time bomb, I have struggled with the 'what if's' since I've lived here and been challenged, I have seen some of my planning fall flat on it's face before and during a crises. What I'm contemplating now is the large earthquake we are being warned about and the stratovolcano Mount Adams, Adams is the largest active volcano in Washington State and among the largest in the Cascades with it's volcanic field being 500 miles, it's threat assessment is considered high by the USGS with a lot less warning of an eruption than that of Mt. St. Helens. I get a lot of 'I don't know' from the Wife's colleagues. Just because an event never took place in our life time but has a history of taking place don't assume one is safe. Like an area that flooded 200 years ago consider it safe to assume that it will flood again, we must look beyond current records of an area and look at historical accounts including Native American verbal records. In our planning history becomes our teacher.
 
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For modern convenience and I have said it many times. . . water well & generator. With Harvey our normal life wasn't too bad effected since we still had water to flush, wash etc even though it wasn't running thru the lines. No problem loosing electric with the house generator and propane tank.

The storms past, we did have a portable generator that got plugged I to the house and we had a small window a/c unit to make life more comfortable sleeping. I prepared dinners on a propane camp stove and grill. Coffee was perked on camp stove. Laundry done in galvanized tub with new toilet plunger and hung on back porch. That was before the laundry lines were hung in the backyard.

Rita I evacuated with all four dogs. Golden retriever and fox terrier didn't like each other at all and since we had gone to an uncles house and he had no fences, I teathered them out on a cable with the two boys on the ends. Lines got tangled. I went out to separate and little terrier thought my hand was golden retriever so bit little pinky. Almost lost the tip of that finger. Cleaned and bandaged real well and bought three tubes of antibiotic cream before going back home the day after storm hit. Hell getting back in, being detoured all over the place. Finally called hunny to come get because he was police and could get me into the city. Had he not been there I could not get back in so will not leave.

I was at home with dogs after storm by myself. This was before all fences were put back up around property. Had five men drive up to the back side of my house. Never seen them before. They went to my window and were greeted by my Anita and a 9mm. Those guys promptly left in a hurry. Kasey was the type of dog that would defend me in a heartbeat. After that the 9mm was always by my side. That was the one and only time that ever happened out here.

We had plenty of water stored during the '05 & '08 storms but never loss water in the lines. Only with Harvey. Food was not lost in any storm due to generators. We also had plenty on shelves and growing in the soil. Kerosene lamps also came in handy at night. Had plenty of gas stored. We did everything we would normally do, just in a different way.
 
I was at home with dogs after storm by myself. This was before all fences were put back up around property. Had five men drive up to the back side of my house. Never seen them before. They went to my window and were greeted by my Anita and a 9mm. Those guys promptly left in a hurry. Kasey was the type of dog that would defend me in a heartbeat. After that the 9mm was always by my side. That was the one and only time that ever happened out here.

I assume you meant 'Akita' not Anita?

One comment I have is that far greater loss of life/injury happens in the days/weeks/months following a crisis than the crisis itself. For example in Irma a guy in the Carolinas died cutting tree limbs. Remember to think things through 3 times before taking action. Serious cuts, drinking contaminated water, carbon monoxide, etc. You won't have quick medical care so definitely have a healthy first aid kit available and dry. Not that people are drunk, but many things people do are the equivalent of "hold my beer and watch this" sorts of things. Expose open wounds to flood waters? Going into buildings that aren't structurally sound? Driving into water that you don't know the depth? Going into a mold-filled house without breathing protection? They sound foolish now but it happens time and time again. Think, rethink, get someone else's thoughts and think again.
 
I assume you meant 'Akita' not Anita?

One comment I have is that far greater loss of life/injury happens in the days/weeks/months following a crisis than the crisis itself. For example in Irma a guy in the Carolinas died cutting tree limbs. Remember to think things through 3 times before taking action. Serious cuts, drinking contaminated water, carbon monoxide, etc. You won't have quick medical care so definitely have a healthy first aid kit available and dry. Not that people are drunk, but many things people do are the equivalent of "hold my beer and watch this" sorts of things. Expose open wounds to flood waters? Going into buildings that aren't structurally sound? Driving into water that you don't know the depth? Going into a mold-filled house without breathing protection? They sound foolish now but it happens time and time again. Think, rethink, get someone else's thoughts and think again.
Yes.the darn auto correct
 
I'd really like to hear some first hand accounts of how people made their lives easier during these or other disasters.

So, to preface this, for those who didn't read it in other threads....the eye of Irma went right over us, at a Cat 2 strength (we're inland, in central FL). We lost power for a little over 4 days. Now, we're also rural, and have a well pump, so when we lose power, we lost running water too. We also had all of our animals, and many other animals we had put up for friends/family, and even paid clients (48 animals total, horses, cats, dogs, birds, a pig, and even a monkey).

So, what did we do?

Well, first, the storm didn't really hit us much until late at night. So, we had all day to basically do a lot of things, most of it centered around water. We moved a large water trough to be right outside the main stable. We moved another one near the second stable. We had another for a turnout pasture. We had an emergency barrel, and made sure all were full as could be. For inside, we filled the tub, the sinks, had 2 full buckets of water by each toilet (to flush, when you don't have running water, they will still flush, just not refill). We had lots of our drinks, and had lots of bottled water too (for us, and the cats & dogs).

We consolidated everything into one fridge/freezer. We then put a ton of bottled water in the standing freezer and froze it all.

We boarded up the windows, gathered loose objects, and did all the normal type storm prep folks do.

We had plenty of charcoal, candles, batteries, flashlights, lamps and oil, etc. Propane was a no go, even days before the storm, it was sold out, so only had one tank of that, and it was half full. (one hole in the preps)

For the most part, we fared really well. As soon as the power went out, we worked quickly, and jammed every nook and cranny of the fridge/freezer with the frozen water bottles from the other freezer. This kept things cold pretty much the whole time. We also limited opening the fridge to two times per day. We kept sodas in a cooler (kept cold by using the same frozen water bottles). As they thawed, we simply used them as water (for us or the animals).

The first night we had no power was fine, as I had crocked some mojo pork the day before. I also crocked some chicken stew the same day (before we lost power). So we had that the second night. After that, we grilled. Did some chili dogs and chips, and some mesquite chicken with pasta (the grill has a burner). For lunches, we typically did some sandwiches and soup, or whatever else people wanted. We really had no shortage of food, and everything in the fridge stayed cold for the duration, as we'd always feed it with new, frozen bottles.

During the day, we'd take care of the animals, entertain ourselves with our phones and boardgames, and work on cleaning up yard debris. The one thing I didn't count on though, was the heat. It made it hard to be inside. My house has zero flow through...just wasn't designed for it. I didn't think that would be such a factor, but it really was. 90 degrees outside, but even though somewhat cooler inside, just didn't really help. And really hard to sleep, when you are used to sleeping at 65 degrees...lol. So, another hole in the preps. It also made it hard to clean house, as we also had no running water. That's when I resolved to get a generator and at least two window AC units before next storm season.

On day 3, another hole appeared. We had been charging up the cell phones with the truck, but hadn't really started it. Gas stations were still closed, as we did venture out to check on things (we took the other car, because it has working AC). Other businesses were open though, as power slowly came back to town. Some were even open on day 2. But, the constant charging zapped my truck battery. This hole is now solved with a solar powered charger I have now. My daughter though, had a friend who now had power, so she bolted. (she doesn't live at home, but came here for the storm, because her apartment was a wood frame place).

On day 3, we lucked out. My gym was open, so me and my son went there to get a much needed shower. We could wash up at home, and I even had a trough we could use to bathe, but a 10 minute drive and hot shower was hard to pass up. We had fully gassed up all vehicles, and even had gas cans of gas, so felt we could spend it. We did the same on day 4 and 5 too.

We even went to a restaurant on day 3. Not that we needed it, but it was good to eat in the AC, and at a buffet. Like I said, some businesses had power, so that was nice. Most didn't though. It was only about an hour wait...so not as horrible as it could have been. And worth it for sitting in that AC for a while.

Each night, when dark, we'd simply go around and light all the candles. We have some hanging ones all over the house, for just such a thing, and it was actually pretty nice. Though collectively, it may have added to the heat factor. It was enough light to move about the house, but we used electric lanterns to see while playing a boardgame, reading a book, etc.

So for the most part, we fared pretty well. And, it was actually kind of a vindication. My kids got to see that their old man's prepping comes in handy now and then. My wife suddenly was onboard for spending money on more. (she works in payroll, so got to spend the whole storm as part of a response team, in Dallas, working all day, and partying each night on the company dime, lol). Though she didn't go through it with us, we were always in contact via phone, so in a way, she at least knew.

I can't over emphasize the importance of a charged phone during this though. Never would have thought it, but it was how we communicated to those whose animals we were watching, with my wife, and how we learned info about power outages, what was open, what wasn't, etc. For a short-term, localized SHTF event, a cell phone is simply indispensable. (as is a way to keep it charged).

Another tip....just before and just after a storm, if you want a supply that is high in demand (like water, bread, batteries, charcoal, etc.), check your local supermarket THE MOMENT it opens in the morning. For days before, and then after the storm, I would do this, mostly just because "hey, why not?" and they always had these items...for about 45 minutes each day. I usually went more for comfort stuff, but worth noting this for those who need/want more of these items.

In FL,, gassing up is probably the next biggest tip. As a storm approaches (i.e. a week before if you can), keep your tank full. Because stations will start running out and closing about 3 days before it hits. So if you waited that late. Forget it.
 
Pretty good preface Gaz.

I never got into the solar panels till 2014 and finally purchased some portable late 2014 but I need to get them for my vehicles to help reduce the possibility of running our batteries down in the vehicles as in your case with the truck (not just for home but also abroad when traveling out and about)
 
A few additional notes.

Generators - I noticed a lot of my neighbors tried to run these almost 24/7, and when asked why, they said their fridge. You can actually just cycle this. On the other hand, we'd likely use it like that for the A/C if a hot day. You just don't realize how noisy these things are though, until you hear it all day. We will get one before next storm season, along with a window A/C unit, just to run that and cycle the fridge/freezer.

Water Bottles - The frozen water bottles in the freezer was probably the number one tip I used for this storm. It really saved us hundreds in potential lost food, and as it thawed, provided for a nice cold drink. This was definitely our all-star prepper hack for the storm.

Solar Cell Phone Charger - Simply put, this is a MUST HAVE item in FL during storm season. It is amazing how much grief this would have saved us. it's the best $25 you will ever spend.

Gym Membership - Before storm season, not a bad idea. Being able to go there and take a hot shower, even while power and water was out, was nice beyond words.

Gas - While it is always recommended, I'm going to go further and suggest having a 5 gallon gas can full at all times during storm season (or more). Stations close DAYS before a storm hits.

Drink Cooler - this was great, as it kept us from going in the fridge/freezer for cold drinks, but still gave us this convenience. Great for working in the hot sun with no A/C. Just use the frozen water bottles you put in the freezer before the storm hit, to keep all cold.

Washing Basin - we had a big watering tub that we used to wash dishes (or could empty, and use to wash clothes if needed, but really, should do laundry before the storm). try to use more paper plates, and other disposables, but often, have to cook using a pot, etc. so.... We had set this up on a couple of sawhorses and had us a redneck outdoor kitchen setup, lol.
 
A few additional notes.

Generators - I noticed a lot of my neighbors tried to run these almost 24/7, and when asked why, they said their fridge. You can actually just cycle this. On the other hand, we'd likely use it like that for the A/C if a hot day. You just don't realize how noisy these things are though, until you hear it all day. We will get one before next storm season, along with a window A/C unit, just to run that and cycle the fridge/freezer.

Water Bottles - The frozen water bottles in the freezer was probably the number one tip I used for this storm. It really saved us hundreds in potential lost food, and as it thawed, provided for a nice cold drink. This was definitely our all-star prepper hack for the storm.

Solar Cell Phone Charger - Simply put, this is a MUST HAVE item in FL during storm season. It is amazing how much grief this would have saved us. it's the best $25 you will ever spend.

Gym Membership - Before storm season, not a bad idea. Being able to go there and take a hot shower, even while power and water was out, was nice beyond words.

Gas - While it is always recommended, I'm going to go further and suggest having a 5 gallon gas can full at all times during storm season (or more). Stations close DAYS before a storm hits.

Drink Cooler - this was great, as it kept us from going in the fridge/freezer for cold drinks, but still gave us this convenience. Great for working in the hot sun with no A/C. Just use the frozen water bottles you put in the freezer before the storm hit, to keep all cold.

Washing Basin - we had a big watering tub that we used to wash dishes (or could empty, and use to wash clothes if needed, but really, should do laundry before the storm). try to use more paper plates, and other disposables, but often, have to cook using a pot, etc. so.... We had set this up on a couple of sawhorses and had us a redneck outdoor kitchen setup, lol.

I never could understand why people would run the generator all day and night just for the fridge/freezer when 85% of the time it runs idle wasting fuel along with opening the fridge/ freezer doors during the heat of the day, folks really need to learn how to time things :-/
 
Yep, we basically allowed the fridge or freezer to be opened TWICE per day, when we were out of power. We still had everything cold after 4 days with no generator or power. (heck, many frozen items still frozen even). I had to thaw meat to cook, on day 3.

Instead, you could run the generator for 2 hours, then off for one hour. Repeat that, and you'd get a LOT more use out of the genny and fuel, and still have your food fine. If you're combining this with the ice bottle trick, you could do even longer intervals. Just keep the on/off ratio at 1 to 2 (so run for double the time it's off).
 
I live in S.E. Florida, and we got hit somewhat by the storm. Power was out for 3-4 days, and was intermittant for a few days after.

We don't have a generator because my girlfriend has a concern with clutter and doesn't like having tons of stuff in the house (lest you think I'm slamming her, we really do have a very small place, and I definitely tend to be a packrat. She views clutter as a hygiene and safety concern, and I can't 100% disagree with her arguments if I'm to be fair-minded).

The big thing--for me--was that I always have a supply of water, food, batteries, and so forth on hand. I went out to snag a few extra gallons of bottled water, and--no s---, someone pulled a knife in the grocery store over the last bottle on the shelf.

You know what was even more screwed up?

The customer with the last of the water didn't back down!

There was no stabbing, thank God, but it was a considerable savings of money to have everything situated before hurricane season even started, since we didn't spend time and gasoline driving all over town.

Another important prep (which I had in my B.O.B.) was a mesh mosquito suit. South Florida has rampant asian tiger mosquitoes (Aedes albopictus), as well as a million other different kinds of mosquitoes and biting flies.

Protection from these pests was not only important for morale, but they can be a real health hazard. I don't like DEET very much (although I use it occasionally) because I can't stand the way it feels on my skin, and I've had DEET ruin clothing and boots when I wasn't careful. There is DEET-free insect repellant, and it works well...but I liked my chemical free mosquito suit a lot better.

My gorilla tape was extremely useful for temporary fixes to the minor damage, and helped with leaks.

I made it a point to check on my neighbors and give them bottled water, and I made hot coffee for everyone on my propane camp stove.

My Eaton hand-crank radio/flashlight combo was very practical, and let me follow the news and stay informed. I was also able to use this thing to charge my cell phone.

I didn't have my Walther PPK/S at the time, so I carried my Browning Hi-power in a tuckable holster with baggy clothes. I had it loaded with standard 13 round magazines, and 115 grain standard velocity (not +P) jacketed hollow points. I also carried a multitool and a ka-bar.

My other half was working in the hospital for the whole event (she's an RN), so she was protected and comfortable, so I didn't have to worry about her.

Cellphone reception was spotty. We managed to exchanges texts a few times to keep each other up to date, which was good for morale.

We got through it reasonably well. We have sliding shutters, which helped protect the windows and only took a hour to secure. We had a maze of clutter in the house since we took in the garbage pails, barbeque, lawn furnature, recycling bins, plants, and so forth.

This clutter was psychologically stressful for my girlfriend because she is very orderly, clean, and neatness-minded (she is, after all, an RN), and can't stand the idea of bugs and flies in her house, and we certainly got our share from bringing all the stuff inside. We had lizards in the house, and (this is our secret--don't tell the girlfriend) a small, harmless snake...which I captured and set free without her knowledge.

The dog and cat both became very neurotic and needy because of the environmental changes and the storm, and they required constant reassurance.

My best resource for passing the time was large supply of cheap, trashy paperback novels, as I like to read.

I hope this post was helpful.

All my best.
 
Unbelievable, that bit with the knife. Have to say, even armed, I'm just going to let the dude have the water....he obviously needs it more than I do, lol....
 
A generator kept outside here would rust and corrode in a heartbeat in our humidity, he meant storing it inside, vs. using it inside, I'm sure.
 
Yes, that's right. Our place is tiny.
I figured that's what you meant. Just poking fun at you. As dry as it is here I don't store any generator unprotected. I have two generators that are housed in their own buildings, the barn generator is kept in the tractor shed and my "floater" is under tarp when not being used.
 
I sat through 2 hurricanes in NC, Bertha and Fran, pretty intense stuff and damage was bad.....had enough to get by and toughed it out....that was before I ever thought about prepping.....stuff is gonna happen and at least having proper food and water will get you through, all the extras like generators, extra propane, gas and such is just a good bonus to have....
 

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