welfare where does it really go

[grayghost668]

no one cares about the poor,,,,,lock them in the basement we don't have to look at them there and eventually they will die


yeah public hands

the public is just as corrupt as the Federal level

 

[TexasFreedom]

GG,
You really crack me up. I tell you, "GG, be positive!" And you respond, "I am positive, I'm positive that gov't is corrupt/evil AND private/individual is corrupt/evil!"

Um...ok. So yes, you can identify imperfections/problems anywhere. But I go back to my previous point, what is worse for all: the providers and the recipients? I believe the undeniable answer is gov't administered welfare.

You make the point that people won't give. I ask how do you know that? 100 years ago it was more than sufficient. Yes, people are less generous today than 100 year ago, but how much of that is due to excessive gov't stealing? And how will we know if it's sufficient without trying it? BTW, I think there is less true 'need' today than 100 years ago. We don't have anywhere near the deaths from wars & disease compared to back then, leaving countless widows/children without a provider.

 

[DrHenley]

 

[grayghost668]

GG,
You really crack me up. I tell you, "GG, be positive!" And you respond, "I am positive, I'm positive that gov't is corrupt/evil AND private/individual is corrupt/evil!"

Um...ok. So yes, you can identify imperfections/problems anywhere. But I go back to my previous point, what is worse for all: the providers and the recipients? I believe the undeniable answer is gov't administered welfare.

You make the point that people won't give. I ask how do you know that? 100 years ago it was more than sufficient. Yes, people are less generous today than 100 year ago, but how much of that is due to excessive gov't stealing? And how will we know if it's sufficient without trying it? BTW, I think there is less true 'need' today than 100 years ago. We don't have anywhere near the deaths from wars & disease compared to back then, leaving countless widows/children without a provider.

I crack you up,,,that is funny ,I can say the same about you,,,,,

your undying belief that people are good and will help the less fortunate ,,,,,do you not watch the news,,,humans are such wonderful creatures,,,they rape and murder they cheat on their wives or husbands theft is a problem drug addiction is rampant and the states are legalizing marijuana ,,,,the list of human faults is unending,,,we here prep for the worse and talk about how bad it will be and you still believe that people are good and will help the poor,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what are you smoking ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[grayghost668]

what I know about people is we are mostly concerned in our own well being,,,the vast majority will lie to you cheat you and use you anytime they get the chance,,,,,,,, I have no faith in others I have found people to be undependable ,,,

 

[tmttactical]

GG I see a lot of finger pointed, complaining but not a single solution. Government wasted full. Civilian to self centered and not caring. SO what is you solution are you just content to complain.

 

[grayghost668]

GG I see a lot of finger pointed, complaining but not a single solution. Government wasted full. Civilian to self centered and not caring. SO what is you solution are you just content to complain.

the money is pissed away on the state level,if I ran the show ,I would look at each states budget ,,,,if a state was only using 10% of their funds for the people I would slash their budget by 90%,,,the Feds should not be paying for any pet programs


why don't you tell me what we can do,,,,,,the feds control all the money,,,,just what the hell do you think we can do,,,,,,you guys all bitch because you think no one should get welfare ,,,my money no one deserves it but me,,,if that is not complaining I don't know what the hell is,,,


so come on you put me on the spot,,,,,now without doing away with it,,,,BECAUSE IT IS NEVER GOING AWAY,,,,,,what would you do

 

[grayghost668]

this came to me me while in the shower,,,,,,,I hear a lot of you complaining about welfare,after finding the above story it has left me ticked off,,,,,,,,so you guys all shout let the local charity's take care of it,,,,now lets pretend that all of you here are donating 10% to charity,,lol,,,,lets all look at welfare as a charity and the money is collected by the FEDS and doled out how they see fit,,,,,,well I don't know about the rest of you but that means at least for me if you look at welfare as a charity my tax bill was only about 8%,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so in the end I gave my 10% to charity and paid damned little in taxes

there is no reason to make donations anywhere else,,,,,that is one way to look at it without getting ulcers

 

[TexasFreedom]

GG,
So let me see if I get this right. You say gov't is corrupt, that people are greedy/corrupt, but YOU would run this right if you were in charge?
Oh, isn't that what every dictator in history has said?

my money no one deserves it but me

And BTW, you quote us completely wrong. You start right, it is my money, no arguing over that. And true, nobody 'deserves it' but the one who earned it (me).

What you are completely missing is that I'm (and many others) are willing to give to programs/people that I agree with. Nope, I'm not going to give to abortion clinics. My money, my choice where it goes. That is the problem with your idea that just give it in taxes. The other problem is that 50%+ of the money in 'taxes' does not go to those who need it, but feed the giant ugly gov't overhead.

Also, your tax number is way off, even for the most poor. Last time I added up all my various taxes, it was closer to 50%. Yes, I pay a higher federal income tax than you. But add SS, sales tax, state tax, property tax, my business taxes, etc: it all adds up to a whole lot more. And yet I still give 10% beyond that to various charities.

 

[grayghost668]

TF ,,,you do like to twist words ,,,,,signs of a weak man


I don't want to run it,in fact everyone can do what they feel like as long as it doesn't spill over on my property ,,

I bought this place because it is isolated,,I prefer it that way,,a good neighbor is one who waves as they drive by

,,,as for taxes,,,I don't think it is possible to add up everything we pay in taxes ,there is a tax on just about everything

 

[TexasFreedom]

,if I ran the show ,I would look at each states budget ,,,,if a state was only using 10% of their funds for the people I would slash their budget by 90%,,,the Feds should not be paying for any pet programs

So let me see if I get this right. You say gov't is corrupt, that people are greedy/corrupt, but YOU would run this right if you were in charge?

TF ,,,you do like to twist words ,,,,,signs of a weak man

How did I get that wrong? In your first quote, you used "I" three times. You said "if I ran the show", I said "YOU would run this right if you were in charge", and I'm the one twisting words?

Here's another deep thought to consider. You said:

in fact everyone can do what they feel like as long as it doesn't spill over on my property

But you are perfectly fine with the gov't crossing the line deep into my wallet? Seriously, what's the difference between crossing your property line and other capital? Either we live in a capitalistic society where private property exists or the gov't can take what they want? And that includes cash, assets, and land. Think about this.

 

[grayghost668]

How did I get that wrong? In your first quote, you used "I" three times. You said "if I ran the show", I said "YOU would run this right if you were in charge", and I'm the one twisting words?

Here's another deep thought to consider. You said:

But you are perfectly fine with the gov't crossing the line deep into my wallet? Seriously, what's the difference between crossing your property line and other capital? Either we live in a capitalistic society where private property exists or the gov't can take what they want? And that includes cash, assets, and land. Think about this.

this is pointless,,,,welfare is going nowhere it will be here when we are dead and gone,,,,,you may not like it but we are stuck with it,,,stop your damned whining and move on

 

[tmttactical]

The thread topic is "welfare where does it really go". So when folks say it is wasted and should be ended, they are on topic. Nobody is entitled to welfare / support. That is a fake concept fostered for weak people that failed to make good financial / personal decisions in life. The government got into the charity business to buy votes and weaken organized religion. So far nobody has shown one bit of proof that there is a legal form of"Human Entitlement" for any financial support from the government - -state or federal. NOBODY is entitled to a "Free Lunch". Government steals the money under force of arms, to buy votes and keep their pissant supporters employed. Will it end, probably not, should it end, absolutely. Our stolen money buys too many votes for the liberals and rhino's.

 

[TexasFreedom]

UP makes some great points.

Let me add that the 'welfare system' (not the recipients, but the people who run it and get their paycheck out of it) is massive and against any reform. I just searched, and over 60k people get their paycheck from SSA. I know there are 1000's that all they do is 'write' grant applications for 'free' money (cough). I'd wager there are millions employed by various stages of welfare (or taxpayers). Ending gov't welfare means the end of their jobs.

 

[JackDW]

Just my 2 cents worth here (worth less than a penny these days). I have almost totally eliminated my giving to ANY charity organization. The government keeps expanding their "welfare" giving so why should I be paying twice. If the government want to take it on, go for it and I will back off and let them handle it. As far as I am concerned, the Government is the worse organization in the world and screws up anything they touch.

As far as the people in general, I feel most are honest and hard working. They will help their neighbors when need be. Any time we have had a natural disaster in my area, the neighbors jumped in and helped each other. The elderly and families were well taken care of. People would help and there was no question about cost. If and when any government entity showed up (which never happens) we will be back "up and running". Again, in my case, I do this because it is the "right" thing to do. If someone, especially related to the government, told me I HAD to do something, NO WAY in hell will I do it. I help because I want to and not because I am told to.

It really aggravates me when I see those NEWS (corrupt news organizations) stories where people are crying and whining because "NO ONE" is helping them. GET OFF YOUR SORRY BEHIND AND HELP YOURSELF. The government will just get into the way in most cases.

Now, give the government it's due. While the community can clean up and take care of their neighbors, there is also large and long term projects that will need to be completed. That is where the government should be concentrated. While we do need the government in a lot of area, they get into the way when it comes to the individual. JUST MY 2 CENTS WORTH!

 

[Arcticdude]

The difference that I've noticed about people who support government welfare and those who don't, depends a lot on how much federal tax they have stolen from their income, if any.
It's very easy for someone who pays little to no fed tax to support this bloated welfare system.

 

[TexasFreedom]

AD makes a good point.

At the least welfare recipients should be given a choice. Option #1: Get welfare but denied the right to vote for xx years (depending on how much welfare, past benefits,etc). Option #2: no welfare and gets to vote. Pick one, and only one. BTW, again welfare includes things like food stamps, gov't housing, SSI, etc. It does not include social security & pensions, those are earned benefits.