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Arthur Morgan

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We all have our personal experiences. I was a prepper back in the 2000's, and am a big believer in 'be prepared.' What we are seeing now out at the stores is panic, not people being prepared ...hoarding silly things like toilet paper (really? I mean there's this thing called a wash cloth if push comes to shove...)

I had a really bad divorce and things have finally calmed down on that avenue. That's a tale unto itself. Anyway, I have approximately 40 acres of land in WV but no cabin, no structure... and no one to really help me. I'm earning 50k area per year, with some debt and have had my guns, bags of beans, and even N95 masks for quite a while.. long predating the current craziness.

My frustration stems from our country essentially shutting down. People are dying yes... but from a percentage perspective it's like hovering around 2% of those who contract the virus, die from it. Most of those unlucky souls are in places like NYC and Los Angeles etc. So now we have this nationwide shutdown, and people buying up anything they feel might be useful because, let's face it.. they are coming to grips with the fact they can't trust the government to take care of them in a bad situation. (Many of us could of told them that quite a while ago.)

So we have that one the one hand, and yet there were still College student celebrations flocking to the beaches a few weeks ago. Where I am, bored college kids on masse headed to national forest scenic locations just last week. They also are mobbing the stores (Kroger, etc) and purchasing large quantity of beer, chips, etc for get togethers with their classmates.

This nonsense is causing my son to have to hole up in our apartment, and not interact with other kids out in the park and so forth as young people should do. The aquatic centers (recreational swimming locations) are all closed, the parks, stores, and so forth and our economy is going down the toilet.

I'm starting to really question whether the cure is worse then the disease here. Anyone want to work something out regarding the property? I have the bug out location but not enough flexible income at my disposal to make it bug out ready... plus.... what am I supposed to do then? Hermit in place waiting for all the craziness to pass? I don't have family here, and won't leave my son... and it's a joint custody deal....

So now we're having more ammo shortages and if we have one big scenario go down there will likely be a national ban on gun purchases and further restrictions. Unfortunately I'm growing older (50ish), and feel rather helpless in a time when I need my oomph more then ever.
 
We all have our personal experiences. I was a prepper back in the 2000's, and am a big believer in 'be prepared.' What we are seeing now out at the stores is panic, not people being prepared ...hoarding silly things like toilet paper (really? I mean there's this thing called a wash cloth if push comes to shove...)

I had a really bad divorce and things have finally calmed down on that avenue. That's a tale unto itself. Anyway, I have approximately 40 acres of land in WV but no cabin, no structure... and no one to really help me. I'm earning 50k area per year, with some debt and have had my guns, bags of beans, and even N95 masks for quite a while.. long predating the current craziness.

My frustration stems from our country essentially shutting down. People are dying yes... but from a percentage perspective it's like hovering around 2% of those who contract the virus, die from it. Most of those unlucky souls are in places like NYC and Los Angeles etc. So now we have this nationwide shutdown, and people buying up anything they feel might be useful because, let's face it.. they are coming to grips with the fact they can't trust the government to take care of them in a bad situation. (Many of us could of told them that quite a while ago.)

So we have that one the one hand, and yet there were still College student celebrations flocking to the beaches a few weeks ago. Where I am, bored college kids on masse headed to national forest scenic locations just last week. They also are mobbing the stores (Kroger, etc) and purchasing large quantity of beer, chips, etc for get togethers with their classmates.

This nonsense is causing my son to have to hole up in our apartment, and not interact with other kids out in the park and so forth as young people should do. The aquatic centers (recreational swimming locations) are all closed, the parks, stores, and so forth and our economy is going down the toilet.

I'm starting to really question whether the cure is worse then the disease here. Anyone want to work something out regarding the property? I have the bug out location but not enough flexible income at my disposal to make it bug out ready... plus.... what am I supposed to do then? Hermit in place waiting for all the craziness to pass? I don't have family here, and won't leave my son... and it's a joint custody deal....

So now we're having more ammo shortages and if we have one big scenario go down there will likely be a national ban on gun purchases and further restrictions. Unfortunately I'm growing older (50ish), and feel rather helpless in a time when I need my oomph more then ever.
I've been saying essentially the same thing since this thing started. Really? We're going to destroy our economy and lock up the entire country over this? Lock up NYC and LA. Who cares. Not everyone in this country lives in those shitholes or in congested urban areas.
Good luck trying to find help with your place. I've been trying to hire someone to help me around here for several years. Gone through quite a few dumbasses. I've got 1 good hired hand, but only occasionally when he's not busy on his own place.
 
We all have our personal experiences. I was a prepper back in the 2000's, and am a big believer in 'be prepared.' What we are seeing now out at the stores is panic, not people being prepared ...hoarding silly things like toilet paper (really? I mean there's this thing called a wash cloth if push comes to shove...)

I had a really bad divorce and things have finally calmed down on that avenue. That's a tale unto itself. Anyway, I have approximately 40 acres of land in WV but no cabin, no structure... and no one to really help me. I'm earning 50k area per year, with some debt and have had my guns, bags of beans, and even N95 masks for quite a while.. long predating the current craziness.

My frustration stems from our country essentially shutting down. People are dying yes... but from a percentage perspective it's like hovering around 2% of those who contract the virus, die from it. Most of those unlucky souls are in places like NYC and Los Angeles etc. So now we have this nationwide shutdown, and people buying up anything they feel might be useful because, let's face it.. they are coming to grips with the fact they can't trust the government to take care of them in a bad situation. (Many of us could of told them that quite a while ago.)

So we have that one the one hand, and yet there were still College student celebrations flocking to the beaches a few weeks ago. Where I am, bored college kids on masse headed to national forest scenic locations just last week. They also are mobbing the stores (Kroger, etc) and purchasing large quantity of beer, chips, etc for get togethers with their classmates.

This nonsense is causing my son to have to hole up in our apartment, and not interact with other kids out in the park and so forth as young people should do. The aquatic centers (recreational swimming locations) are all closed, the parks, stores, and so forth and our economy is going down the toilet.

I'm starting to really question whether the cure is worse then the disease here. Anyone want to work something out regarding the property? I have the bug out location but not enough flexible income at my disposal to make it bug out ready... plus.... what am I supposed to do then? Hermit in place waiting for all the craziness to pass? I don't have family here, and won't leave my son... and it's a joint custody deal....

So now we're having more ammo shortages and if we have one big scenario go down there will likely be a national ban on gun purchases and further restrictions. Unfortunately I'm growing older (50ish), and feel rather helpless in a time when I need my oomph more then ever.
I would love to have 40 acres of land in WV.

Can you get a small camping trailer (not an RV, but one you pull with your car) second-hand for a reasonable price, and park it on your acreage? With everyone out of work, it's a buyer's market and you could probably get a really good deal if you know how to haggle.

Add a well and an outhouse (inside a cheap tool shed, perhaps), and you're all set.
 
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Howdy from Georgia!

By the end of this week, I think we will have a better understanding of the scope of the pandemic in the U.S. We are definitely faring better than many European countries right now in regards to mortality rates. Italy has a 12.5% mortality rate, and the UK has a 10.4% mortality rate.

The US is running 2.9% overall, with Kentucky (4.7%), Washington(4.2%), Michigan(3.9%), Louisiana(3.7%), New York(3.6%), Georgia(3.1%), and Wisconsin(3.0%) running higher.

I hope the lower rates hold for the rest of the country, but I'm afraid that over the next few days you will see the rates in most US states steadily climbing.

I HOPE I'M WRONG!
 
I am somewhat ready,( I HAVE MY PROTECTIVE GEAR ),,I have food ammo and I can still do my side work of mowing yards,so I have cash flow,,,,,,,,,,many are not so lucky,with layoffs and fear plus the lack of money coming in,I fear for the worse theft, riots and home invasions and we are not that far away from these problems
 
One day at a time is the best any of us can do. I agree the cure of this is likely to be as bad or worse than the disease. Even if we didn’t do the lockdown though since it’s worldwide I don’t think our economy would handle it without a major hit anyways. I liked Kevin’s suggestion of a camper and shed on the property. It is a good start and gives you some options.
 
My wife works in a bar, and I am thrilled they closed bars down, so she didn't have to just stay home and leave them hanging. She's been telling them since January, something wicked this way comes. Her coworkers called her crazy, and until last week, most hadn't changed their minds. I told her about the first reported transmission of coronavirus from animal to human within hours of it being reported, and we watched them quarantine Wuhan, a city of 11 million people. Been watching it daily since. When the Chinese, who have a long history of zero empathy for its citizens, immediately closes a city the size of L.A., in an unprecidented move, you know it's bad. It would not surprise me if they did it themselves and sent people to the US immediately, while they made everyone stay inside. Their quick quarantine seemed to help, but it has also been four months.

There are fools everywhere in America still meeting, and going out, acting like it's no big deal. It is a big deal, we know it's bad, and we don't even know how much worse it will get. Not just in numbers, but permanent damage, and if there will ever be a cure, as it continues to evolve into new strains.

Hope for the best, plan for the worst, has always been my motto.
 
The world is never going to be the same again just like after 7/7 and 911, get used to it folks lifes a bitch but we in the prepping community are probable among the best place to survive the short to medium term problems. I forecast a HUGE rise in the cost of medical services / medicines, pharma etc either through increased premiums or increased taxes ( or both).

I think there will be a backlash against China so all the cheap goods we have relied upon will cost more. Even luxury goods will cost more like I phones cos they are made in China. I think The US and UK will look at the shortfall in its capacity to make masks, gloves, medicines, respirators, vehicles, etc etc etc and we will bring home much of our costed out manufacturing ( EG trucks cars, locomotives from Mexico and Canada). So we will start making more of our own gear but it will cost more as our labour costs are far higher than the Asians.

Third world economies are going to take a double whammy, first from the Coronavirus wrecking economies followed by western nations bringing home plants and factories from third world states. This will cripple their economies which will see millions more migrants heading illegally for the US and Europe . This will see a huge migrant crisis, more terrorism, most pressure on OUR health services, more civil unrest and certainly more demands by the Socialists and democrats like AOC.

I think more people will read and analyse recent events and become preppers by default. More people will realise the vulnerability of city living and sell up and move out, more will want to homestead in one form or another, they will see just how vulnerable our national distaster planning is and decide to join our way of life. On the other hand the " we are entitleds" will demand more free healthcare especially in cities like NYC, London, Birmingham, LA, SF etc which will see state taxes increase.

All our Health care professionals from Porters to Consulatants, Nurses to Surgeons are going to say " we were there for you, now its payback time" and demand improved terms, conditions and wages. Thats got to be paid for as well.

Many companies forced to close down will NOT reopen, unemployment is going to be very high maybe for a decade or more, this in turn will turn desparate people to crime.

Yes no matter how I look at this I believe the world is now changed forever.

Caution, BLAME LAYING. I can see many of us looking to blame and punish, China, Hoarders, State health authorities, Prime Ministers, Presidents etc and a backlash is inevitable, and I have already heard and read misguided and plain wrong fools trying to blame Preppers and Surivivalists for causing the panic buying ( the opposite being true) . But none the less expect flak.
 
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I completely agree that this will have a long term economic impact. The economy is a chain, with each link helping to support the next. It can take a hit on a few links and survive but when a lot are broken it it won’t be able to just pick back up and keep going. I am concerned about governments electing even more radically totalitarian leaders that demand their authority be followed. As I’ve always said with people about prepping, it’s not me I’m concerned for, it’s my children. I fear for the world this may bring about.
 
I completely agree that this will have a long term economic impact. The economy is a chain, with each link helping to support the next. It can take a hit on a few links and survive but when a lot are broken it it won’t be able to just pick back up and keep going. I am concerned about governments electing even more radically totalitarian leaders that demand their authority be followed. As I’ve always said with people about prepping, it’s not me I’m concerned for, it’s my children. I fear for the world this may bring about.

It's a good thing we dont have a totalitarian leader as President, hopefully we get Trump for another 4 years.
 
These places will open back up , People will be going back to work . Many will take new better jobs . Watch the stock market rocket and 401 Ks surge . Its just around the corner .
This will soon be a roller coaster memory We can talk about .
The worst came from the Democrat Socialist party weaponizing the virus against President Trump and Him having to stay ahead of Them .
 
Psalm7, the good news, that is easy to do. Trump as been several steps ahead of the Democrats since before he was elected. You will never get this from the corrupt media but just look at the results. Russia probe turned out that Hillary and the DNC was the ones colluding with Russia. Ukraine turned out that the Bidens were the ones extorting billions of dollars using "quid-pro-quo" as the VP. After the truth came out, the corrupt media dropped those like a hot potato.

Even in this case, the true blame falls 100% on China. Sure there were some missteps but again, that was mostly due to the faulty or limited data we received. Just imagine how bad it would be if Hillary had won. She and her friends would have taken a large chunk of the relief funds. Biden would be even worse. Heck he can't remember where he is. Sad to see someone deteriorate right before our eyes.
 
These places will open back up , People will be going back to work . Many will take new better jobs . Watch the stock market rocket and 401 Ks surge . Its just around the corner .
This will soon be a roller coaster memory We can talk about .
The worst came from the Democrat Socialist party weaponizing the virus against President Trump and Him having to stay ahead of Them .
I hope your optimistic outlook is correct. I am usually a glass half full kind of guy as well but think this is going to be a long recovery to get people employed again. Time will tell but here’s to being hopeful.
As far as the dems doing all the bad things, I see just as much hatred from the right side. The divide in this country almost ensures no one can accomplish anything anymore.
 
I'm starting to really question whether the cure is worse then the disease here.
The "cure" is terrible, but if we let the disease get out of control, then people would be blaming them for the sky-high death rates and saying they didn't do enough. This is really a no-win situation. unfortunately. The death rate for this is quite a bit higher than the flu. Even assuming a 1% death rate (actual death rate is closer to 3%, and will go up if hospitals are overwhelmed), if 80% of the population contracted the virus (estimated number without social distancing) that would mean over 2.6 million deaths. Keep in mind that the number of deaths annually is around 2.8 million each year from ALL CAUSES COMBINED.
I think people still dont have any idea of the damage this virus will cause in the months, years to come.
I was reading an article (on Buzzfeed, of all places) where they were talking about how things are not going to go back to "normal" meaning the way they were before. Things are going to change because of this. I think prepping will be more widely accepted, for example. I also think that unfortunately, government surveillance will become a lot more intrusive. These are only two of the many changes this will cause, so in a way this is an "end of the world as we knew it" scenario even if we don't end up back in the "stone age."
 
Currently 5.8% and rising globally. 12.5% in Italy, 11.7% in the UK.
The flu is 0.1%
Currently running 3.4% in the US. Up 0.2 percentage points from this morning.
Point is, in the early stages of an epidemic, it means nothing because it will continuously rise until well after the peak. Italy's is still rising but very slowly.
 

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