Update on chinese Coronavirus issue

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My advice still is to not panic. That being said stocking up on cleaning agents, some food reserves and masks makes sense. This thing is coming and will be spread in populated areas shortly. Hospitals will be overwhelmed and regular life will be disrupted. All this sounds scary but keep in mind these things. Approximately 80% of the infected have very mild or no symptoms. Young children don’t seem to be affected nearly as much as adults. Right now there is an approximate 3% death rate with this, and that’s mostly old or sick people. Yes, it sucks as I fall into that older category, but this thing isn’t going to end the worlds over population problems. It will likely affect the economy for a time, disrupt the supply chains for goods and groceries, etc. As preppers, we are more prepared to weather this than most. Will we be affected, likely, at least with friends or family. All I can advise is start now with practicing not touching your face while out. That alone can help keep you from infection better than most things. When it does become widespread stay home, avoiding populated places as much as possible. I am hoping for an immunization within a year or two at most, get it when it is available. Use common sense, and pass it along to others. Spreading irrational fear isn’t going to help in any way, so don’t do it.
 
robinjopo said:
Glenn Beck was reading one report that said the virus had peaked. Then another that it was on the rise.

We can't trust any of them and just have to go on instincts. That's why I'm stocking up on every germ killer I can find and staying out of public places as much as possible.
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if you can find pool shock this time of the year it's the best avenue to having all the bleach mix you could ever use ....
 
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Deaths outside China have skyrocketed in the last few days. Case fatality rate outside China has almost caught up with the CFR inside China (if China's numbers can be believed that is) They are both running around 10%

COVID-19 Statistics as of 23 Feb, 2020

In China:
Confirmed* 76,936
Deaths 2,443
Recoveries 23,094
Case Fatality Rate 9.6%

Outside China:
Confirmed* 2,027
Deaths 25
Recoveries 238
Case Fatality Rate 9.5%

Total:
Confirmed* 78,963
Deaths 2,468
Recoveries 23,332
Case Fatality Rate 9.6%

*Confirmed means clinically diagnosed cases. China now includes X-Ray confirmation of pneumonia in the totals. Not indicative of total number infected which is likely much higher.
 
interesting posting from Milan (Italy) college student - thought the Trump divide in the US was bad >>>>

Diary from Milan - Day 1 after COVID-19 spread

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Hello everyone. This is day 1 after COVID-19 spread in Northern Italy.
I am an Italian born and living in Milan (not outskirts, not suburbs).
I am a female university student living with my middle aged 60s years old parents. My mom has pre-existing conditions (autoimmune disease) as well as my dad (high blood pressure, overweight). I am in decent health but had serious health problems when I was a kid.
My mom, having a autoimmune disease, started prepping immediately after the first 2 cases in Rome. I agreed with her. My dad thought she was overrracting but unfortunately she was right.
We stocked up on:

· Meds for cough and fever and throatache, meds for my parent's chronic conditions, meds for stomach and belly pain, antibiotic (pills and cream), bandage

· antiseptic, surgical masks, hand soap gel, alcohol, bleach, cleaning items, personal hygiene products

· Canned food and "glass food" (conserve in vetro, sorry, I do not know the exact word in English) such as beans, lentils, corn, sweet peas, tomatoes, peaches, tuna, mackerel fish, meat. Rice, pasta Frozen food such as pizza, vegetables, meat Water, cocoa, coffee, non perishable milk, chamomille, tea, fruit juice Fruit mousse (fruttini)

· Toilet paper, paper

Today we still went to the supermarket wearing glasses, masks and gloves. A few other people were dressed like us.
Some people started pointing at us, pretending to be coughing and calling us crazy. Some people said we were right in using masks and so on, others said we deserve to go asylum
It can go dangerous. Also in a civil riots/war way. Italian people are very involved in politics.
People who are taking precautions are usually of right wing party (which wanted total ban from indirect flights from China as well and quarantine for any people coming back from China, not only Wuhan but was not listened by the majority party who said "people who want quarantine are facists") while people who are not taking it seriously are mostly supporters o of the left wing majority party which minimised the risks and kept declaring the flu is more dangerous than covid-19
Because of that, I am afraid that if things escalates, there may be riots between people with masks who are scared which are usually right wing (Lega) VS people who do not give a 性交 and keep making fun even now that we have almost 140 cases who are usually left wing (PD)
Even in my university chat group someone shared info about the latest cases and some people insulted her saying she was spreading panic and that ""the flu is much more deadly"" bullshit while others including me supported the girl by sharing articles by famous virologists which demonstrate that COVID-19 is no flu
I follow Roberto Burioni (one of the most famous Italian virologists) updates and data and I suggest anyone else to do the same. Please share his articles if you can.
Now I am at home watching live TV news all time with my mom. Can not focus on anything else.
 
yup GG,I know friend,I know...I was having a chat with our duty doc today about those peopel who were flown out of Wuhan to Paris and then to Helsinki...
she said they most likely are issued a voluntary isolation order ( which isn't enforced by nothing ) to stay at home for 14 days and as we know people are stupid..
 
jontte said:
yup GG,I know friend,I know...I was having a chat with our duty doc today about those peopel who were flown out of Wuhan to Paris and then to Helsinki...
she said they most likely are issued a voluntary isolation order ( which isn't enforced by nothing ) to stay at home for 14 days and as we know people are stupid..
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,,,,yup,,,,

I know a fellow who shot himself in the same foot 2 times once was a stupid accident the second was just pure stupidity
 
DrHenley said:
Deaths outside China have skyrocketed in the last few days. Case fatality rate outside China has almost caught up with the CFR inside China (if China's numbers can be believed that is) They are both running around 10%

COVID-19 Statistics as of 23 Feb, 2020

In China:
Confirmed* 76,936
Deaths 2,443
Recoveries 23,094
Case Fatality Rate 9.6%

Outside China:
Confirmed* 2,027
Deaths 25
Recoveries 238
Case Fatality Rate 9.5%

Total:
Confirmed* 78,963
Deaths 2,468
Recoveries 23,332
Case Fatality Rate 9.6%

*Confirmed means clinically diagnosed cases. China now includes X-Ray confirmation of pneumonia in the totals. Not indicative of total number infected which is likely much higher.
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The outside China CFR rate should soon surpass that of China. Then we will see a more accurate CFR rate.
 
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