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tmttactical
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Return charity to the churches and the individual, get government out of the charity business. People need to be accountable for their action and not rely on the tax payer to take care of them. Atlas Shrugged is prime example of government control. If you watch the movie and then still believe government should decide what to do with wealth redistribution, then you are brain dead. JM2C.
I was not trying to use an ad hominem attack in order to derail the conversation, and I apologise that it came across that way. I was, rather, expressing genuine disquiet at the character that came through in the phrasing of your comment.
ETA: I'm not a liberal in the sense of 'modern US liberal', which I assume you to mean. If you mean another type of liberal then let me know and I'll try to work if I'm it, but I can tell you now that, as a libertarian socialist, I'm probably not
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My point was that if their homelessness was caused by conditions in LA, as you implied, then they are homeless by choice because they CHOSE to stay in LA instead of moving somewhere else with better conditions. It has nothing to do with the condition of my heart.
People have moved to find better economic conditions throughout history. UNLESS someone held a gun to their head and forced them to stay.
People have moved to find better economic conditions throughout history. UNLESS someone held a gun to their head and forced them to stay.
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Again, I was commenting on your phrasing, which suggested much about the condition of your heart, not on your point. I hereby rack my oars on this element of the conversation.
I don't know if you know this Bluejoy, but whenever the left here can't argue on merits they resort to accusing conservatives of being heartless. Every time.
I have never called anyone here heartless, but taking the homeless and burning them alive certainly qualifies. I believe that most of you all consider me left, although I hate labels.
I don’t have the statistics at hand, but I wonder what percent of homeless people are veterans? I have read many accounts of veterans who have struggled with mental as well as drug and alcohol issues and ended up homeless. I recognize that these make better stories, but there seems to be numerous accounts.
John Prine’s Sam Stone is now playing in my head...
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Some of the homeless in the LA area are employed, but even so cannot afford to buy or rent. To quit a job and go elsewhere is not so easy as just picking up and leaving. On top of that, children are involved, too, and uprooting them isn’t easy, either. It isn’t a simple problem nor a simple solution.
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It appears that the majority of those that vote in LA have allowed the leftist elite to rule over them.
Doreena, I have been unemployed and for all practical purposes a single father with two children in desperate economic straits. No it's not easy to pack up and head for greener pastures but I have done it myself. My car died during the move BTW.
I am glad you made it. I am trying to look at all sides of why...some are strong enough to leave and some are not.
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tmttactical
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It is good to look at all sides but one cannot discount the need for them to be accountable for their own circumstances. Yes there are times where Mr. Murphy dumps on us (been there- done that) but you do not wait around for the tax payer to pick up the tab. Yes relocating is tough on children but not nearly as tough as being homeless. When housing starts to become un-affordable, then you pack your bags and find a more affordable location. If you are living pay check to pay check and not able to deal with Mr. Murphy's nasty surprises, why is it the tax payers responsibility to bail you out? Now I grant there are special circumstance --- hubby is sole bread winner and walks out - now wife and children are in a tough spot but that is not the norm. Most of the homeless made very bad personal life choices (drugs, alcohol, etc.) or lived beyond their means. Smart phones vs. flip phones. Big screen TV, Cable TV (I use antenna's) hi-speed internet vs. basic, and more bad choices.
I have helped out (It was my choice - not the governments). I have taken several homeless into food joints and bought them a meal. I once was shopping at a grocery store and a young women ahead of me could not pay for her purchases. All the items were baby needs (formula, diapers, etc) not a single item was for her. I paid for her purchase, again my choice not the governments. That is the main point, I don't want the government deciding what to do with my income, that is my choice and my choice alone. NOT the government or anybody else has the right to decide how I spend my income and that is what socialism and big government is all about. I know you have a big heart and wish for a better life for everybody but that is for the individual to determine how it is to be accomplished and it should not be required for the general good by the government.
I am married and we live off our Social Security Retirements. I plan ahead to the time my wife may pass on and then I will not be able to stay in my current location and still save money for when for Mr. Murphy shows up again. If somebody does not plan ahead, then they are just giving Mr. Murphy a helping hand. JM2C
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we helped at a homeless drop in centre for nearly 10 years when we lived in the next county, most of the homeless were a lot more interesting and knowledgeable than the sheeple that looked down on them, I know which sort I would help out in a crisis if it came to it.
tmttactical
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Good going bigpaul and I am sure your help was greatly appreciated. That is my point, it was YOUR choice to help out.
Im sure most of Us have helped shelters in some way . Its still bad life choices that put most there probably nearly all . They will quit making bad life choices once They have reached their bottom . If They do quit making bad life choices .
Or they hitch to Florida, lots of "homeless" there. Riding around on their bikes looking for shit to steal to buy their drugs with.
Helping someone to become more helpless is NOT HELPING. Life should be a little hard or else you end up sitting on your behind doing nothing to improve. Some people need motivated.
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but isn't that what a lot of people do? and not just the homeless. sit on their backside with their hands out expecting someone else to provide? i'm sure it will also be the case post SHTF. some will ALWAYS expect others to provide, its human nature.
You just have to use your best judgement and expect a few to fool you now and then. I know with me it's often just a "feeling" I get, which is of course unreliable. The expert conners know how to play you.
"Trust, but verify"
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