Snowflake-Preppers-Safe-Space-Forum

[KateMTx]

I think it's a shame that the prep-site in Austria takes that attitude of banning people and ideas they consider politically incorrect. However, I have to admit that the same thing has been known to happen here in the U.S., with members in some sites making people who are not a part of their particular culture (e.g., "liberals") feel unwelcome.

My early (1970's) mentor in the prepper field were Mel Tappan and the editors of Mother Earth News, two people certainly as different as could be politically. I think that anyone who has a concern about hard times and a desire to get through them is someone I would want to help and/or learn from, regardless of his religious or political views. Surviving hard times is not a zero-sum game.

political correctness is everywhere and in everything these days.
being p.c. wont help anybody when SHTF.

I agree that being p.c. won't help anyone when SHTF, but being practical will. Practicality will trump politics any day for me - there are plenty of people who I disagree with politically that are still intelligent, forward-thinking individuals. When SHTF, I'd rather be with them than with a prepper wanna-be with too many guns and no useful skills.

 

[jontte]

agree Kate with you,a good combo with skills,determination and stuff is yes!

 

[Danil54grl]

Being p c won't help in the long run. It will probably get you in trouble infact . I would much rather not beat around the bush and get straight to the point. I do realize that sugar coating is needed though Example would be when trying to explain to a 95 year old MIL that maybe she shouldn't live by herself anymore or since you are so hard headed at least wear the Life Alert around your neck!

 

[TexasFreedom]

I think it's a shame that the prep-site in Austria takes that attitude of banning people and ideas they consider politically incorrect. However, I have to admit that the same thing has been known to happen here in the U.S., with members in some sites making people who are not a part of their particular culture (e.g., "liberals") feel unwelcome.

I'll address the latter part. I'm one who pushes away liberals. Let me note, specifically libs who come here just to cause trouble making illogical statements and not backing up those statements when challenged. They are not here to learn about prepping, they are here to disrupt what we are doing. I though Doreena was one of those, I have seen cracks in her liberal views that show she is slowly learning.

When SHTF, that will be the opportunity to change our nation to a sustainable society. That means socialism/communism/liberalism needs to disappear. I will take in zero liberals in SHTF. In fact I hope they change their ways to realize conservatism is the only viable, otherwise... I make no apologies. If someone wants to tie themselves to an anchor, there should be no surprises when they fall off the ship.

 

[user 5745]

Being p c won't help in the long run. It will probably get you in trouble infact . I would much rather not beat around the bush and get straight to the point. I do realize that sugar coating is needed though Example would be when trying to explain to a 95 year old MIL that maybe she shouldn't live by herself anymore or since you are so hard headed at least wear the Life Alert around your neck!

I don't get this conflation of PC with beating around the bush/sugar-coating. To me, PC is just speaking and acting in a straightforward manner without being an eejit about race, sex/gender, disability, religion, etc. Ultimately, it comes from the Greek root polis, meaning state and, hence, state affairs, and Latin correct, meaning 'made straight' - so it rather embodies the concept of straight dealing in civil situations In my experience, people who take PC as meaning mealy-mouthed faffery tend to be easily upset types who object to being asked to treat their fellows with a measure of decency.

 

[DrHenley]

What a crock of shite Bluejoy. Political Correctness is nothing less than a way to muzzle any speech that doesn't conform to liberal ideology. It is nothing less than the "Newspeak" of 1984.

Newspeak is a controlled language, of restricted grammar and limited vocabulary, meant to limit the freedom of thought—personal identity, self-expression, free will—that ideologically threatens the régime of Big Brother and the Party, who thus criminalized such concepts as thoughtcrime, contradictions of Ingsoc orthodoxy.

Well I got news for you Libs...

1984 was a cautionary tale, not an instruction manual.

 

[user 5745]

What a crock of shite Bluejoy. Political Correctness is nothing less than a way to muzzle any speech that doesn't conform to liberal ideology. It is nothing less than the "Newspeak" of 1984.

Well I got news for you Libs...

1984 was a cautionary tale, not an instruction manual.

Certainly, some people - on all sides of various political fences - misuse Political Correctness for muzzling purposes. I don't, and I don't respect those who do.

Of course 1984 wasn't an instruction manual - it was a warning of a terrible state that everyone should guard against. The authorities in the book treated people abominably, without a shred of decency.

I'm still a Libertarian Socialist and not a Liberal

 

[Maverick]

Speaking of snowflake, I find absolute humor in this

 

[tmttactical]

Mav, thanks for the laughs. Perfect example of the Snowflake syndrome.

 

[Danil54grl]

"Stop acting like a little monkey". . . something I say to even my own little granddaughter when she is fidgety. I am direct and to the point. My granddaughter understands what I mean and yet she is only three. But if I say the exact same thing to another kid of a different race than I am, I am being racist and not PC. It makes no sense to me when I have to treat another differently than I would my own. . . . I am supposed to tip toe, my a@@. Sorry if I hurt someones feeling @Bluejoy. To me, I am treating everyone the same there with no special treatment. It is the person receiving that comment who may have the problem and it is normally not the child I am talking to but their parent who is not the one disciplining their child and letting them run amuck in the store climbing up on shelves and swinging from fixtures. If they break something, that cost the store money which will be passed along to consumers in the long run. Just another example. . .

Being 'PC' may have had good intentions when it was first introduced. Being mindful of another feelings and how it is perceived but like everything else it has been taken to the extreme. Who would have ever thought that the common statement I make would ever be considered racist. Or the fact that a church that put up a sign advertising their VBS in a mall would be considered offensive. The sign was of a man holding a book with no title on it. Had the VBS theme and location and times. That was it. Big stink and it had to come down. Statues have to come down of Southern Generals because some people believe that the the Civil war was about slavery and not state rights. A person is denied entrance to an art exhibit because she is wearing a kimono and not Japanese descent. . . the list goes on and on. . . .

You are no longer able to express yourself and voice your own opinion without offending someone out in the world. Has and will never happen. I was not talking about degrading or being mean to another just because they have different ideas than I do, like some do. I do not like or agree with that kind of behavior at all.

 

[Arcticdude]

I've got no use for these thin skinned whinny wimps who get their feelings hurt over a simple word or comment. They can kiss my ###. Even when I was working in the corporate world I always spoke my mind.
This doesn't mean that I can't have a civil conversation with someone that has a different opinion from mine. Fortunately we don't have many bed wetting snowflakes around where I live.

 

[DrHenley]

When I was growing up, if someone said something offensive we would say "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me!"
When I got my feelings hurt, my father would tell me "Let it roll off of you like water off of a duck's back."

If people said something you didn't like or agree with, we'd say "Well it's a free country."

"Common Sense" is now uncommon

 

[bigpaul]

pc speech is now used by the left to muzzle any opposing views, if you try to talk about immigration you are called a racist, that usually stops debate straight away.

 

[Gazrok]

How the hell can you talk about prepping and completely leave guns and politics out of it?

That's like having a Doctors' forum where nobody can talk about medicine.

 

[Gazrok]

pc speech is now used by the left to muzzle any opposing views, if you try to talk about immigration you are called a racist, that usually stops debate straight away.

This really is the (to many) unseen danger of being overly PC. It enforces a "groupthink" to where any opposing opinion is so socially ostracized, that true debate and innovation simply cannot take place. And it's a growing cancer in our society. Many of us saw this in 2016, and took a stab at halting its progress. But as the midterms showed, its a pretty deep problem.

 

[user 5745]

"Stop acting like a little monkey". . . something I say to even my own little granddaughter when she is fidgety. I am direct and to the point. My granddaughter understands what I mean and yet she is only three. But if I say the exact same thing to another kid of a different race than I am, I am being racist and not PC. It makes no sense to me when I have to treat another differently than I would my own. . . . I am supposed to tip toe, my a@@. Sorry if I hurt someones feeling @Bluejoy. To me, I am treating everyone the same there with no special treatment. It is the person receiving that comment who may have the problem and it is normally not the child I am talking to but their parent who is not the one disciplining their child and letting them run amuck in the store climbing up on shelves and swinging from fixtures. If they break something, that cost the store money which will be passed along to consumers in the long run. Just another example. . .

Being 'PC' may have had good intentions when it was first introduced. Being mindful of another feelings and how it is perceived but like everything else it has been taken to the extreme. Who would have ever thought that the common statement I make would ever be considered racist. Or the fact that a church that put up a sign advertising their VBS in a mall would be considered offensive. The sign was of a man holding a book with no title on it. Had the VBS theme and location and times. That was it. Big stink and it had to come down. Statues have to come down of Southern Generals because some people believe that the the Civil war was about slavery and not state rights. A person is denied entrance to an art exhibit because she is wearing a kimono and not Japanese descent. . . the list goes on and on. . . .

You are no longer able to express yourself and voice your own opinion without offending someone out in the world. Has and will never happen. I was not talking about degrading or being mean to another just because they have different ideas than I do, like some do. I do not like or agree with that kind of behavior at all.

Re: 'little monkey'. I think that it would depend on the context. Saying it to kids in general shouldn't be a problem - we all share a common ancestor with other primates, after all. A White person tending to say it only towards Black kids, or to cast only Black kids as monkeys in a school play, etc., would be deeply suspect.

 

[Gazrok]

Or...we could all just not be a bunch of babies, and call each other any names we like. Call me anything, cracker, honkie, whatever.... I simply grant no power to such words, so they just don't do anything. There's a lesson there perhaps....

When you outlaw a word, you give it more power than it ever deserved. In the past, we understood that. Hell, we could even all laugh about it. (exhibit a) Blazing Saddles). But no...

 

[user 5745]

Or we could be decent human beings and not treat each other like crap It's no skin off my nose not to use language that, for various reasons, is deeply hurtful to people. Just as I wouldn't bang on about knocking back pints to a friend trying to quit alcohol.

 

[tmttactical]

Words have no power unless you grant them power. Even yelling fire in a movie theater has no power if you do not panic. When I was a kid, we knew most if not all the racial slurs. When somebody used one, we would fall back on the old saying sticks and stones and then consider the source. Those that used the slurs were quickly ostracized by both the kids and their parents. We did not need a safe place, we did not whine and cry about somebody being mean to us. We ignored the offender and left them to their own devices.

When everything becomes racist, then it looses it importance or value. Over using the F bomb has lost the shock value, now it is just a sign of a poor vocabulary. Trigger phrases are the stupidest thing to come down the pike in a very long time. Insults are rude behavior but should not be construed with illegal behavior. It is just bad manners. When the freedom to use any word is banned, that is the first step to a loss of freedom. The P.C. Snowflakes do not stand a chance once the SHTF. There will not be any safe places and nobody will give a darn if they get their feeling hurt. The power you grant a word, phrase or concept is what gives it meaning, nothing else. You are in control of granting the power.

 

[Arcticdude]

Or some of us could quit being thin skinned little crybabies. Call me whatever you want and I'll either laugh about it or knock your head off. I'm not about to tailor my language for fear that some limp wristed wimp will get his feelings hurt.