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China had 2 1/2 month to tell the world and did nothing, china notified WHO and both china and WHO stated no human to human transmission December 31, shortly afterwords CDC offered help to china and turned down the help, WHO wasn't even allowed to enter china. Again in January 11 and 12 the WHO using only china's data and information and stated no evidence of human to human transmission, the world was notified January 21 of human to human transmission, January 31 US declared a health emergency.

The world wouldn't be experiencing this level of a breakout if china followed the WHO agreed and singed infectious disease protocol of notification and allowing scientist into ground zero to investigate. Look where we are now in less than two months of this outbreak!

So, when we see like the video posted above and others showing the disrepair and plight we can thank china.
 
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China had 2 1/2 month to tell the world and did nothing, china notified WHO and both china and WHO stated no human to human transmission December 31, shortly afterwords CDC offered help to china and turned down the help, WHO wasn't even allowed to enter china. Again in January 11 and 12 the WHO using only china's data and information and stated no evidence of human to human transmission, the world was notified January 21 of human to human transmission, January 31 US declared a health emergency.

The world wouldn't be experiencing this level of a breakout if china followed the WHO agreed and singed infectious disease protocol of notification and allowing scientist into ground zero to investigate. Look where we are now in less than two months of this outbreak!

So, when we see like the video posted above and others showing the disrepair and plight we can thank china.


Lord knows there is lots of blame to go around Mav. China, WHO, media, politicians etc etc etc. Now if we could just find as many answers, a couple breakthroughs and a whole lot of luck we might have a hope.
 
The WHO, the CDC, and almost the whole of the mainstream media treat everything the Chinese say as gospel. The few MSM articles accusing China of lying are shouted down by the rest of the media and discredited. I am a Wikipedia editor, and when I mentioned in the talk page the "Elephant in the room" - namely the fact that China's numbers are a fabrication, my comments were scrubbed.

Here is what we are facing. Someone else timidly brought up the subject and was immediately shouted down by a highly regarded member of the Wikipedia medical team, and then later that comment was scrubbed.

People are asking why the numbers in China don't look anything like other countries, and not getting an answer other than "China has had longer to deal with it."

Today we have this comment, which I expect will be scrubbed at any moment:

I think we can agree that the government of China can not be considered an accurate or reliable source of information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.62.118.152 (talk) 06:25, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

 
So, when we see like the video posted above and others showing the disrepair and plight we can thank china.

SHTF and the world is dealing with it. It may take months or even a year or two, but the world will get past this. The question is THEN WHAT? I wonder if the world doesn't turn on China. Anger already is brimming. Obviously step one is to bring home medicines & other critical production. I could see some countries willing to go to war over this. Others suing in international courts for reparations. No matter what, the world will (already do?) hate China and do anything they can to hurt them. Any and every way. Legal, illegal, anyway. I'm wondering if China shot themselves in the foot with this.
 
The situation in Italy is horrifying. All these college kids who are out partying and pretending there's nothing wrong are going to cause the same thing to happen here. I read statistics today that showed that the case fatality rate in Italy is nearly 10%. But if you look at "resolved cases" where the patients had either recovered or died, 44% had died.

The WHO, the CDC, and almost the whole of the mainstream media treat everything the Chinese say as gospel. The few MSM articles accusing China of lying are shouted down by the rest of the media and discredited. I am a Wikipedia editor, and when I mentioned in the talk page the "Elephant in the room" - namely the fact that China's numbers are a fabrication, my comments were scrubbed.

Here is what we are facing. Someone else timidly brought up the subject and was immediately shouted down by a highly regarded member of the Wikipedia medical team, and then later that comment was scrubbed.

People are asking why the numbers in China don't look anything like other countries, and not getting an answer other than "China has had longer to deal with it."

Today we have this comment, which I expect will be scrubbed at any moment:

I think we can agree that the government of China can not be considered an accurate or reliable source of information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.62.118.152 (talk) 06:25, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

I read an article about how China's numbers are "too perfect" to be accurate. I don't believe a word their government says about the situation. From the very beginning they were lying to us and I guarantee you it hasn't stopped now.
 
China had 2 1/2 month to tell the world and did nothing, china notified WHO and both china and WHO stated no human to human transmission December 31, shortly afterwords CDC offered help to china and turned down the help, WHO wasn't even allowed to enter china. Again in January 11 and 12 the WHO using only china's data and information and stated no evidence of human to human transmission, the world was notified January 21 of human to human transmission, January 31 US declared a health emergency.

The world wouldn't be experiencing this level of a breakout if china followed the WHO agreed and singed infectious disease protocol of notification and allowing scientist into ground zero to investigate. Look where we are now in less than two months of this outbreak!

So, when we see like the video posted above and others showing the disrepair and plight we can thank china.

You are talking about the WHO tough. Many people who atleast read the conspiracy theories are extremely weary of them and other official outlets.

Also, everyone can agree that all bad things come in three's. So I'm sure everyone reading theories is wondering what's really happening while this is going on and the mainstream media doesn't cover anything else...

That said, the idea of a pandemic and it not being something visible like zombies is just shit. You can kill a zombie but not a virus...

Its also scary how everyone is now locked up in their homes in Europe because they're scared to get the virus because the government's tell us we need to stay inside.

I personally live nice and rural, I moved here last year permanently so I feel like I dodged a bullet, even if I didn't manage to get a subsidiary for working some of the land I just bought in time and likely won't get for a long time.

I'm also a freelancer, but that's a bit of a dead end now all of Europe is a freelancer in addition to Asia....

Cash wise I'm sitting on 4k in the bank and trying to fight the urge to pull it all out. I can't, I got taxes to pay till everything goes to hell so that's my biggest aggrivation till now.

It sucks that genuine homesteading for a living doesn't work in a country with a population density as low as the one I moved to. Else I'd feel a lot more secure financially, but it's also why I chose the country I'm in. Everyone is a lot more self sufficient and the government itself has the national resources to be one of the real powerhouses in Europe when it gets its shit together as the EU collapses.

Because truly, anyone who thinks the EU is still standing after this is must either know something others don't, or be severely behind the news.

As it is it'll probably turn into an Eastern and western coalition of sorts. With the Scandinavians joining the Western one and the Portuguese, Spanish and Italians the Eastern one or forming their own. Tough with China and Russia helping them and Eastern Europe being decidedly on better terms with the Russians than main stream media would like people to believe, the idea of a third party forming would be unlikely.

But that's basically my issue with this virus. It feels like I'm in the middle between two opposing forces having a pissing contest and the virus screwing over Europe as hardest hit thus far, seems like more of an unintended but perhaps happy to them coincidence to help drive the fear home...

That said... Regardless of what really going on. For me the biggest uncertainty remains bills to pay and whether my currency, the euro will crash and burn when the eu inevitably splits up...

The financial uncertainty, fear and isolation will probably cause more deaths than the virus itself if I look at how freaked my friends from Western Europe are and are trying to surpress it by gaming together all day long for days on end, just to have some human contact. Considering most don't have a partner.

Others spontaneously go out and visit the others whenm that is the worst thing you can do if you don't wanna catch anything.

Tough i do think they should not be afraid to go outside if they don't touch things in public and go for a run or something... Its more important to stay healthy than it is to lockoneself up. Sooner or later you need to get out anyway and doing so with a ruined immune system because you didn't atleast catch some sun and didn't eat healthy because you were freaked out and stuffed yourself on Ben and Jerry's instead of trying to maintain or establish a healthy routine really doesn't help...

We're all going to get it anyway... Even if you have to go onto your roof to get some sunlight, it's best to do so and work out a bit, just to have an as high immune system as possible. Or so I think. Regardless of what lethality levels the virus truly carries.

Its the aftermath that requires it the most. Being unable to do anything and sitting at home ain't so bad if you got Internet and get over yourself that it's required now, but losing your job and all the other issues that follow this whole shebang are...

But that's just my opinion...

Ps. Edits done because my phone really botched up my grammar
 
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SHTF and the world is dealing with it. It may take months or even a year or two, but the world will get past this. The question is THEN WHAT? I wonder if the world doesn't turn on China. Anger already is brimming. Obviously step one is to bring home medicines & other critical production. I could see some countries willing to go to war over this. Others suing in international courts for reparations. No matter what, the world will (already do?) hate China and do anything they can to hurt them. Any and every way. Legal, illegal, anyway. I'm wondering if China shot themselves in the foot with this.

Ah that's the thing. Most of the Europeans think it's either the UK or US behind it. Tough not Trump himself...

Mainstream media might not be naming them, but my friends in Eastern Europe are pretty much convinced if you consider the corporate elites actions these past few years from the US.

Just look at news articles ft. Bill Gates... Most of us think it's the corporate cabals behind this...

Put simply, even our mainstream media's outlets, have opinion pieces that are very... Diligent in looking at what the corporate elites do all the time. Thus when the big fish move their money into all the right places and a virus breaks out. It's pretty simple to point fingers. Because clearly, they knew something that we didn't...

Thus it's only the countries that fall under western Europe, which is easily seen by looking at who took in the most refugees from God knows where with conflicting religions, that might join the American point the finger at China bandwagon, tough even they tend to studiously avoid pointing fingers at them.

Especially now that this virus also made it clear that allies or not. Being allies with the US offers very little to the avarage European when compared to the Russians and China...

Europe will be decided after this, but being in the butt end of a viral outbreak really makes one reconsider their allegiances.

Trump, whilst slammed a lot in Western European media, is actually quite respected since he does the one thing we all agree on. He focuses on his own country and leaves the rest of the world to tend to their own matters. As a president should. It is the same sort of respect we have for putin as a result. And even the Turkish president Erdogan, despite how truly weary we are fo that guy.

In fact Erdogan is probably the biggest reason why the majority of the regular European folk got over their American induced Russophobia as fast as they did.

But yeah I'm gonna cut off here... I'm wasting time sharing my opinion based on things that anyone with Internet, Google and google translate can figure out...

Ps. Apologies for the poor grammar, il write on my laptop instead of phone next time.
 

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