Roving Gangs - Counter Tactics?

[jontte]

the only solution is to take out the leaders,and do it in a brutal way as possible....if you can't avoid this locust swarm

 

[bigpaul]

Its not that they would want to but this would be post TEOTWAWKI . When all reasorces are gone its move on for thoses that are not prepared

yes, but where are they moving to? and why? they will be dead of starvation if they don't find food-so how do they decide where to go? I just cant figure this one out. just aimlessly wandering just hoping to find food is counter productive, uses up precious energy so can anyone explain to me the method they chose to go where they do?????

 

[jimLE]

some will think of,the ppl living in the country.and know that at least some of the country ppl will have food.on account they grow their own gardens.and that some of them can their own food.and then there's area's like where i live.some ppl have life stock.in which,that includes catlle chickens,even one guy has minutre deer of some breed...and some ppl know this..so at least some of the ppl will be heading for those areas..the city ppl also know that ppl in country as well as some city ppl hunt deer and wild pig..so they'll be lookig for homes to at least raid..then there's the ones that dont know that info..but yet some of them might think.someone in the country might help out with food n drink.then there's some that will do nothing,but die of starvation.or in some other way..

 

[bigpaul]

"people in the countryside" covers a heck of a large area.

 

[jimLE]

yeah it does..and there will be a lot of ppl comeing out from the citys.and they'll be spread out.and a good deal of them will know what to look for.and not to look for..

 

[bigpaul]

good job I'm not near any big city then. I still don't think British people have the brain cells for it anyway, favourite sayings are "it'll never happen" and "the government will save us", they scrimp and save to buy a house-minimum deposits are around 30%- and then they just up and leave it? nope cant see it myself.

 

[Gazrok]

I don't think any bands would be aimlessly wandering. No doubt, they'd stick to major highways, and targets just off the highways, and of course, any towns or cities along the way. Only way to be sure of absolute targets.

This is why going to the nearest main highways and removing the signs is such an important step. Will at least frustrate navigation efforts in the surrounding area, possibly even causing them to pass by, thinking a ramp near you is still further down the highway.

 

[TheShadowKnows]

And maybe they don't have gangs like us over in Europe but I'm with Gazrok in thinking that biker gangs, specifically the ones with ex-military membership/leadership, will be a serious danger come NROL. Already organized, already know major travel routes and back ways, most if not all are armed, and those bikes can run a lot further on a small amount of fuel than typical road vehicles.

I mean, if there was no food to buy anymore and I was of a raider mentality, the first place I'd go would be nearby farms.

 

[Travis F]

What happens if a group of people who are very tactically savvy, and are able to survive anywhere are roaming around. backroads and the darkness are their friend. then what?

 

[psalm 7]

If they are tacticly savy then they would know who not to mess with . I know some militia types who's plan for post SHTF is to be raiders . Some of wich I have had diferences with that could lead to fireworks if we ever meet up .

 

[Maverick]

Gazrok correct, someone going to lead some of these groups with a high intelligence that's going to preach the 'promise land' (food & water) blind faith have led many to their damnation throughout history today is no different.

For the most part gangs and stragglers are going to keep to the main roads, following rural roads doesn't mean a destination unlike main roads and highways that generally leads to other towns and cities and a lot of in between but as already mentioned, if a leader or group member is familiar with the rural areas around a given location then perhaps those folks will have a problem on their hands this is a good example why communications is needed with a spotter for alerting the homesteads in advance and why having a BOB is imperative and another reason not to store all the food and supplies in the house though doesn't mean we move our food and supplies out now just have a hidden place in position and ready, a good number of my stuff will be moved to a hidden location after shtf. Everyone has to evaluate one's situation, at my location I have time to make these logistical changes.

If one is unable to relocate, relocate supplies then fortification should be a priority, I've seen an lot of ingenuity for apartment preppers from having materials on hand for securing doors, windows and in one apartment I seen a couple have pre-cut for windows and doors 1" plywood stacked on the bedroom floor and that's what their box springs and mattress laid on, in another apartment a gentleman had 1" plywood cut in half 2'x8' then use piano hinges to re-affix the panels, he pieced together enough panels opening like an accordion to secure his glass sliding door, these panels were decoratives inside the apartment like a setting bench until needed. There is a lot we can do regardless were we live.

 

[bigpaul]

there are 250 street gangs in London alone, but they seem to stay on their own "turf", put them outside the city and they'd be lost.

 

[psalm 7]

Post SHTF we are not talking street gangs . Its groups banded togeather to raid others that have , most will say they are doing the right thing to survive . Some could be street gangs others that knew each other "before" , some families , others just banded togeather for strength .

 

[bigpaul]

that's mostly going to happen in and around the big cities where the most numbers are located.

 

[Gazrok]

I mean, if there was no food to buy anymore and I was of a raider mentality, the first place I'd go would be nearby farms.

While you may find some crops, they need to be tended to really have food (especially if in between plantings, and farms are kind of scattered and various sizes...and of course, farmers are likely to be armed). Depends on the SHTF situation. More likely, such gangs would raid supermarkets, restaurants, convenience stores, discount stores, etc. first, and travel the highways where they can be more sure of a next target. Unless of course, one KNOWS the rural area, and where things are.

In town, we have a main food distribution center for many supermarkets' produce, so no doubt, this would be a HUGE target for everyone. Also a lot of different farmers markets around here.

 

[TheShadowKnows]

I was thinking more once the supermarkets are all empty, a few days/weeks in. And of course, yes, this depends on what exactly hit the fan, so to speak.

I would worry about said gangs assuming that you either A) have a lot of food store in silos/the barn/whatever, or B) set up some sort of forced arrangement whereby you provide food by tending your land and they offer "protection," meaning they won't come try to kill you in your sleep.

I don't live in a farm so this is all hypothetical to me but it's interesting to think about. My house is small and very old, doesn't look like much from the outside so I'm not too worried but post-SHTF security is still a major concern of mine.

 

[Maverick]

I don't think the every day run of the mill city street gangs are going to be an issue outside the cities its going to be gangs that developed after the shtf that are going to be the bigger threat but even then I don't see them venturing to far outside their comfort zone and that includes the 1%ers (bikers) they are not going to waste fuel outside their controlled area also, most of the 1%ers are not just thugs but also white/blue collar workers from engineers to heavy mechanics to welders many already know how to garden/ranch. My wife house in town is right next to the free souls mc club house, lisa been friends with the president of the club for years, we have gone over their at the club house for a beer several times and was invited to a large gathering with the gypsy jokers and brother speed when a member died in an accident. They keep an eye out on lisa house in fact have taken over her garden there and set up rain collection barrels, lee (president) comes up and uses our smoke house every year. For the most part we shouldn't be overly concern with bikers in a shtf situation but I'm not naive about their underworld dealings, We don't ask and they keep it away from us. It will be the desperate gangs that form in a post-shtf that we have to be concern with.

 

[bigpaul]

biker gangs are not a worry for me, having been one myself for most of my adult life I have mixed with many, did you know the safest place for your child is at a biker festival-such as the Bulldog Bash in the UK? its the "inner city trash" that we have to be on the lookout for, but I cant see them walking far post SHTF, they will confine their actions to the outskirts of the city.

 

[jimLE]

yeah..so they might not go any further then 1 to 2 miles out from town..(if that far)...simply because they want to make sure thay they keep good controll on their area(s)..turf...

 

[bigpaul]

yes, and return back to their own little hovel after a days raiding on the outskirts of a city never venturing further than a short distance.