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Many people come here with grand ideas they THINK they will live off the land in a patch of woods outside of the city they live in. Most of these think roughing it is when they have to look for a golf ball they hit in the trees.
Others come here thinking they will prey on others when SHTF occurs. All I did was point out the obvious. I was not being judgemental of you personally so settle down. We are here to help each other, share ideas and learn. If you can understand that then great. Since your not an average citizen I invite you to share your wisdom and insight.
I apologize for taking offense i have a very volatile personality and tend to take offense when non is intended im 22 miles from nearest town with Walmart and about 8-15 miles from nearest groccery store/ gas station population of my town is roughly 4-5k not sure no more than 6k mostly elderly farmers i reside on 10 acres of land that boarders the largest undeveloped area in my county roughly 5k acres my idea of roughing it is a 10/22 ruger a single tarp bullets a few bottles of water a bed role and a magnesium striker and flint been doing this since i was about 13 and im now 20 average length of my excursions is 3 to 5 days but i could last longer if need be im pretty sure i have no need for society
 
i don't believe you should stockpile more than you can carry if you plan on bugging out but if you plan to sit tight then i guess more is better
in this statement i was trying to point out that 30,000 rounds of ammunition would be pointless even if you have 3 people to distribute the load i honestly dont believe you can carry it and all your essential gear we need to put our minds together and figure out where the point of not enough and to much meet say you got a 45. and a riffle id like to carry at most 10x 50 cartridge boxes of 45. and ehhh for my 22-250 no less than 300 maybe less for the pistol more for the riffle this is what im suggesting we figure out
 
imho when it hits the fan the few good people there will be, will be so hard to differentiate from the bad guys so to me the risk out weighs the reward,... (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) this is the only mind set that i can have because i love my family im not willing to risk my infants life and my wifes good health just because times are hard if your starving your not dead

Not everyone you cross paths with will be worse off than you. In fact, unless you are an extremely well off prepper, you're bound to find people who don't necessarily need you. Those folks you really might want to barter with, but you might have a hard time convincing them.

As SilentBob said, I understand what "Not enough ammo" is. I've never been in a situation where I thought I'd taken too much ammo. I understand that there is the issue of not being able to load it out, and that's a different story. If you can't carry it, then... You can't carry it. If you can get ahead of the curve, like Henley said, then you can get ammo to where you intend to BO to.

This idea of splitting up pistol and rifle ammo really opens the discussion up. You may live an area where a 22-250 is "Too much" gun. If you're taking shots 90% of the time, that are within 50 or 75 yds, then you really may want more pistol ammo. Depending on where you live, a 22-250 may not suit you're needs as well as say, an AR or an AK. Then too you come across the weight of the 45. The weight of 45 vs 9mm just doesn't play out well IMO. I would rather have 9 due to it's availability and it's weight, which when talking about thousands of rounds, can save quite a bit. My $.02
 
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Not everyone you cross paths with will be worse off than you. In fact, unless you are an extremely well off prepper, you're bound to find people who don't necessarily need you. Those folks you really might want to barter with, but you might have a hard time convincing them.

As SilentBob said, I understand what "Not enough ammo" is. I've never been in a situation where I thought I'd taken too much ammo. I understand that there is the issue of not being able to load it out, and that's a different story. If you can't carry it, then... You can't carry it. If you can get ahead of the curve, like Henley said, then you can get ammo to where you intend to BO to.

This idea of splitting up pistol and rifle ammo really opens the discussion up. You may live an area where a 22-250 is "Too much" gun. If you're taking shots 90% of the time, that are within 50 or 75 yds, then you really may want more pistol ammo. Depending on where you live, a 22-250 may not suit you're needs as well as say, an AR or an AK. Then too you come across the weight of the 45. The weight of 45 vs 9mm just doesn't play out well IMO. I would rather have 9 due to it's availability and it's weight, which when talking about thousands of rounds, can save quite a bit. My $.02
the 9 is for my so she is a small women like 5'2 110 she cant carry very much weight so it is more suitable for her than i and in case of cqb ill put a lower power scope on my 22-250 accuracy over capacity any day
 
I fully understand the economy of the 9mm over the 45, both in terms of cost and portability. That is one of the reasons I used a 9mm for a long time. And I would not argue with anyone who would prefer a 9mm. I guess what it boils down to is that I simply prefer something that makes a bigger hole. The BOB gun is a 22, with a lot more ammo than I could carry in either 9mm or 45. But my EDC gun is a 45 and I just can't bring myself to go back to 9mm.

I do have an ammo box full of 9mm however...for barter.
 
the 9 is for my so she is a small women like 5'2 110 she cant carry very much weight so it is more suitable for her than i and in case of cqb ill put a lower power scope on my 22-250 accuracy over capacity any day

With your SO carrying 9mm and you 45 now you have 2 calibers to try and stock. There is a lot to be said about keeping keeping the number of different calibers to a minimum. There is also an advantage of both of you carrying the same weapons.

One question you have to ask is how much accuracy do you need? My AR shoots 1"/100yd groups easily. My bolt 223 shoots clover leaves at the same distance. While the 22~250 is a great cartridge I don't see any advantage with it in a SHTF scenario.
 
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I'm not anti-45, I recognize the "Big Hole Factor". I just prefer the 9 because as an instructor, I have seen that it suits more people. I agree too that you need accuracy, but handguns have notoriously poor stopping power, regardless of caliber.

When it comes to rifles, I agree accuracy is important. So is reliability. Depending on the rifle's intended use, round count and speed of reloading can be hugely important, too. Otherwise the current battlefield rifle would be a bolt gun. Each person's situation needs to be accounted for when it comes to anything, and prepping is no different. If you live in the sticks and are bugging in, bolt guns from defensive positions are a great idea. If you're running from your own neighborhood and are in unfamiliar territory, they may not be as good an idea. Even with a very low, fixed power scope, you have a hard time getting off a shot, and follow up shots with bolt actions are no where near the fire rate of semi autos.

I'm not trying to poo poo anyone's idea, but I'm starting to feel like I'm engaging in a "Mine is better than yours" debate. This approach wont work here, and most certainly won't work in the real world of prepping. Here is another reason why it's not a bad idea to network with people in your area. Not everyone has to have 100% coverage of each aspect of prepping. Teams allow people to focus on a rounded skill set, but also a certain "Specialty" if you will.
 
points taken, the only other rifles i have are a 22 hornet, 22, 22 mag, 7mm mag and a 30-06. Now as you can see the largest cartridge i can carry that i own and be the most efficient and by efficient I mean lethal, accurate to at least 300 yards, and maximum ammo count without being to much of a load. Taking all these factors into account the 22-250 is the best riffle as of now for myself. My so will carry my ruger 10/22. Each individual will and should be responsible to carry their own ration of ammo. Another factor to take into account is that if engaged you can easily pick up the weapon of a neutralized threat.
 
I'm guessing you're from the west. Everyone I know with a 7mm mag(Except one) lives out west. The one who doesn't got it in a barter from someone who DID live out west. Beanfield rifles. East coasters use 30s, and west coasters use 7s.

22 Hornet and 22 Mag are fun calibers to shoot, but sometimes come in some odd platforms. May I ask what guns you have chambered in those calibers?
 
hornet is ruger has a box mag used to hold 10 got sand in it now it holds 5. 22 mag was my grandfathers its a marlin and its 50+ years old. when you hold it, its like holding the finest women you ever seen its so clean only flaw is finish is rubbed of the very tip of the barrel from riding in the truck when a guy named rabbit had it lol rabbit used it to grown hog hunt then pawned it to my grandfather the gun had the final 8 shots from the first box of shells put through it in the magazine gives me chills to think about it.
 
22 Hornet and 22 Mag are fun calibers to shoot, but sometimes come in some odd platforms.

Like this? :) Model 1885 Low Wall in 22 Hornet.
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Like this? :) Model 1885 Low Wall in 22 Hornet.
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HAHAHA! YES! Odd indeed! Not a bad looking rifle. How does it shoot? I'm a little suspect of some things in 22H, but don't have enough experience with it , really. I like the concept of the round, but maybe the manufacturers haven't focused on it enough. There are a lot of hot little rounds out now that really sizzle. I still want a 22TCM 1911.
 
from personal experience the 22 hornet cartridge is completely flat shooting out to 100 yds then the bullet drop is outrageous after that you can put 10 shots in a dime at 100 yds this is with reloads
 
From what I can tell ammo avalibility may take another hit . I intend on doubeling what I budget for ammo . I would sugest others do the same I am also including reloading supplies . I normaly wait for the brands and bullit style I prefer but am going to be less picky here out . Remember the Country is going into full election mode soon . There will be a lot of speaches made and public unrest and ammo will be flying off the shelf . Get it now or don't complain .
 
HAHAHA! YES! Odd indeed! Not a bad looking rifle. How does it shoot?

It is finicky. Some days it shoots cloverleaf groups and some days it opens up over 1". Never more than about 1.2 MOA though. Factory ammo is awful, however.

Here is a fairly rapid 20 shot group with only 2 not inside or touching the 1" X ring. I just wanted to see if it held zero on a long string (not stopping to let the barrel cool)
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Seems like good enough groups to me! I've seen plenty folks who couldn't do that if they actually slowed down and took the time!

...Here is a fairly rapid 20 shot group with only 2 not inside or touching the 1" X ring. I just wanted to see if it held zero on a long string (not stopping to let the barrel cool)
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i don't believe you should stockpile more than you can carry if you plan on bugging out but if you plan to sit tight then i guess more is better

Bugging out is over rated for 98% (perhaps higher) of preppers, bugging out should be the last option unless no other choice what so ever. First and foremost we should prep as if we intend to bug in, The B.O.B should be set up as an emergency evac from our bug in location not as the primary source of hope. My home is fully stocked knowing I may have to leave it behind never the less not every emergency will cause us to leave, stock the home first then work on B.O.B ;)
 
I agree with you Mav. You can defend your home far easier than you can defend a camp you set up last night. It takes time to learn the ins and outs of an area and a location. Most crisis situations blow over in short order, with most "Bad" ones lasting a matter of a couple weeks before some order is restored... Maybe this all depends on how much sh*t is hitting the fan. Most of us would like to rely on canned food and bottled water in our own homes if we could. Who knows, though. We could end up in a Book of Eli situation with no home left and a need to get 4000 miles away on foot.
 

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