Online map tool

[Squirtgunsquirter]

An earlier post got me thinking...

Post SHTF, I assume we all figure loads of people will be bailing out of cities. It could even be local movement within a city, fleeing a terrorist attack, tsunami if you are on the coast, etc.

https://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-can-i-travel.htm

This brings up a google map block, and lets you enter a mode of transportation, and a speed. It calculates actual road distance for you, rather than as the crow flies. You could do the same thing on regular google maps, but only between two points.

This gives you a circular maximum range. I'm looking at it as either the maximum distance I can travel out of my city as a refugee in a given time, or the time frame for refugees to hit the BOL from Rockford, then Chicago. Two waves.

Here, I randomly chose Greenville, Kentucky.

You can see it build up all the available roads, then you can select the locations at the maximum distance for the time given.

Like I said, I'm using it as a refugee wave estimator. Whether I am part of the wave remains to be seen. Right now, I would be stuck fleeing my city along with the rest of the schlubs.

 

[Maverick]

Good post

You must be riding a bike? (6mph)

An athletic person can walk 4 miles an hour without backpack x10 hours (600 minutes) is roughly 40 miles and that's a healthy person without load-bearing weight, now take an average person (non-athletic) with load-bearing weight 1-2 miles an hour stopping after 4 or 5 hours till the next morning making 6-7.5 miles a day, I doubt an average non-athletic middle age person carrying a load can walk 10hrs in a day, and all this providing the ground is flat and smooth and one has good shoes and supporting pack plus weather. So if one is going to bug out on foot, better take a lot of calculations based on age and physical shape before picking a rout and time table goal

 

[bigpaul]

you gotta be joking we have an obesity problem in the UK!
if they even manage to walk out of a city it'll be a miracle, especially a place like London or Birmingham. alive that is.
20 miles a day if their lucky, we reckon the average will be 12 miles a day, they will have to stop to find food, water and shelter, they might start of carrying some but not enough for their whole journey, and that's another thing do they know where their going? or just walking aimlessly?
we have a saying here: "never become a refugee" we've seen enough films of refugees crossing Europe to know it wont be a picnic.

 

[SheilaT.]

For what it is, I think it's a great resource. Like many generic tools, you need to adjust for a particular style or skillset. Mav makes a good point about what isn't taken into account. I'm going to have a play later, we have storms forecast so outside play is curtailed for today.

 

[Silent Earth]

A very useful tool thank you, it will help me carry out multiple revisions in my plans. over here I think 4mph would be high for a normal family bugging out on foot with gear in a hilly area so I think 2 MPH is more likely. Especially if you have youngsters or wrinklies or moving tactically. Vehicular bug out I reckon in the UK would very quickly drop to under 12 MPH simply because of population / traffic density. I feel it will quickly get much worse as thousands of vehicles run out of fuel through first gear crawling for hours as seen in the US like during H Andrew and H Katrina in the US. I dunno bout the US but I think a huge percentage of people will simply have no idea where they intend to go and they will just clog up roads as they simply follow the masses.

I would love to see a variation where weather and time of day and season are applied.

 

[Silent Earth]

For what it is, I think it's a great resource. Like many generic tools, you need to adjust for a particular style or skillset. Mav makes a good point about what isn't taken into account. I'm going to have a play later, we have storms forecast so outside play is curtailed for today.

Are you going via Blackpool Sal SE leaves room quickly

 

[SheilaT.]

Showing that remark the contempt it deserves.... moving on.
Where I live, everyone will be walking away, I'm going nowhere.
If I had to leave my home, I have the route and location already planned and funnily enough it is the seaside, just not Blackpool.

 

[bigpaul]

nothing wrong with Blackpool, I lived there for the first 5 years of my life, grandfather owned a hotel.

 

[Silent Earth]

"Tra laaa, Didnt we have a lovely time the day we went to Blackpool, drinks on the day, lunch on the way, and all for under a pound you know.
And on the way Sal travelled with Jack and opened a bottle of cider, Singing a few of our favourite songs as .. the .... wheels....went.... round ."

(apologies to Bangor)

Sally really enjoyed her trip to Blackpool

 

[bigpaul]

its fairly easy on a map to work out how far people will get at so many miles per hour. you don't need some techno gizmo.

 

[SheilaT.]

I said not Blackpool. Honestly some people

Anyhoo, back on track.

Having had a wee play with the online map, I like it.

 

[Silent Earth]

I said not Blackpool. Honestly some people

Anyhoo, back on track.

Having had a wee play with the online map, I like it.

I think the map tool is very useful, I'm suitably impressed.

Note Sally did not deny the picture was of her though

 

[Silent Earth]

Getting back on topic ALL of your BO or BI routes need physically reccying / reconing fully to look for possible or likely Obstructions, Choke Points, Likely check Points and Ambush spots as well are parts that may CLOSE in winter due to snow, ice, flloding etc.

 

[Maverick]

its fairly easy on a map to work out how far people will get at so many miles per hour. you don't need some techno gizmo.

"techno gizmo" would get ya dead, lost. As long as one can use a compass, read a map and use a little math one is set! People don't realize GPS signals are Military controlled, civilian GPS signals are with errors (by design) the Military can widen the error or remove the signals all together so in a national or world wide crises the DoD can cut the umbilical cord in select areas or whole regions, they done it before in fact they done it to India also the DoD limits civilian accuracy to 10m and can re-engage selective availability at any time. In the US the USAF gammed GPS signals in Northern California I think 2 years ago during a Military exercise blinding people using GPS. So, I say go ahead and take one's chances on the techno gizmo but, keep in mind, it's going to be old school that saves the day!

 

[DrHenley]

My phone can also use the GLONASS satellites.

People don't realize GPS signals are Military controlled, civilian GPS signals are with errors (by design) the Military can widen the error or remove the signals all together so in a national or world wide crises the DoD can cut the umbilical cord in

See the squares with "r" prefixes?

Russian GLONASS satellites. GPS isn't the only game in town anymore. The whole GPS network can go dark and most new phones can still get navsat fixes. (And No that not my home location! Not even close)

 

[Silent Earth]

"techno gizmo" would get ya dead, lost. As long as one can use a compass, read a map and use a little math one is set! People don't realize GPS signals are Military controlled, civilian GPS signals are with errors (by design) the Military can widen the error or remove the signals all together so in a national or world wide crises the DoD can cut the umbilical cord in select areas or whole regions, they done it before in fact they done it to India also the DoD limits civilian accuracy to 10m and can re-engage selective availability at any time. In the US the USAF gammed GPS signals in Northern California I think 2 years ago during a Military exercise blinding people using GPS. So, I say go ahead and take one's chances on the techno gizmo but, keep in mind, it's going to be old school that saves the day!

I used GPS for convenience but its always backed up by UK Ordnance survey 1 50,000 Land ranger maps, fully annotated with my important stuff.

 

[Silent Earth]

The EU is also building its own Galileo satelite system, UK is involved to the tune of 12% of the project, but now we are leaving the EU they want to ban the UK from using it even though it will require British ground stations in Cornwall and the Falklands to operate. And they wont give us back the BILLIONS we paid in.

The UK is now contemplating building its own system free of US /RU/EU influence.

 

[Maverick]

My phone can also use the GLONASS satellites.

See the squares with "r" prefixes?

Russian GLONASS satellites. GPS isn't the only game in town anymore. The whole GPS network can go dark and most new phones can still get navsat fixes. (And No that not my home location! Not even close)

Yes, I know other system are out or soon coming on line but my point being with any satnav systems not just gps is 'the ability to supply satellite navigation signals is also the ability to deny their availability. The operator of a satellite navigation system potentially has the ability to degrade or eliminate satellite navigation services over any territory it desires' so if satnav is the only navigational tool in the bag than one is opening themselves up to trouble. Anyway that was whole point to my post above.

In normal times they are a great tool but shtf/teotwawki isn't quite normal times

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

The point of the post wasn't really Navigation... which is best done with a map and quality compass, and the declination for your area.

Just an interesting map tool.

I would be ashamed if I willfully chose to live or die by an electronic device that can potentially break simply by dropping it on a rock. That statement will surely set off a discussion about ruggedized phones and ruggedized dedicated GPS units, simply to prove me wrong about the fragility of modern electronics. lol

 

[DrHenley]

I like to avail myself of any and all tools available. Yes I have been led down a rabbit hole by GPS more than once but a basic understanding of the area got me out.