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Gazrok

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I have this one, fell behind in board.

Technically, she was in breach of contract with how behind she was (meaning technically, we owned her horses...though we just aren't like that).

She goes and sells the damn horse (one of them, on the 5th). No notice, discussion, etc. (so basically, she committed fraud, in selling something she no longer owns).

Now, she boarded TWO horses with us. We do require a deposit of one month, (because of issues in the past), and she paid that for both previously. But, we also require 30 days notice if moving, selling the horse, or you owe for the whole month's board. (even though only there 5 days in July).

It's right in her contract, and she's still pitching a fit about it. (even though half of her (already paid) deposit was applied to pay for this month, to reduce her owed balance). I really hate these frickin' morons.

Or am I being an ###?
 
id be seirously considering filling the proper charges against her.but yet.id do one thing first.have her come.or wait untill shw comes out on her own.that's when id include at least 2 or 3 officer's. And maybe a couple of neighbors or frinds as witnesses. Thats when id give her the what for's and to's..
 
I have this one, fell behind in board.

Technically, she was in breach of contract with how behind she was (meaning technically, we owned her horses...though we just aren't like that).

She goes and sells the damn horse (one of them, on the 5th). No notice, discussion, etc. (so basically, she committed fraud, in selling something she no longer owns).

Now, she boarded TWO horses with us. We do require a deposit of one month, (because of issues in the past), and she paid that for both previously. But, we also require 30 days notice if moving, selling the horse, or you owe for the whole month's board. (even though only there 5 days in July).

It's right in her contract, and she's still pitching a fit about it. (even though half of her (already paid) deposit was applied to pay for this month, to reduce her owed balance). I really hate these frickin' morons.

Or am I being an ###?
It is really simple, she doesn't want to pay so she is mad. She owes it, it is only business. Makes her pay period. What are you going to be a doormat? Are you a charitable organization? No. You've got bills to pay, like I said. It's business and business people have to be stern sometimes. Who is going to look out for your interests if you don't do it for yourself?
 
She stole the property and sold it, therefore you have a right for the police to return your stolen property. don't let her board any more horses, have her remove the ones she has there asap.
 
Yeah, that's what I COULD do...

And yeah, I'm tired of being the doormat, which is why I'm sticking to the contract. No notice, you owe for the month. It's simple really. I think I just needed to vent, and ensure I'm not being an ### on it. No different than human rent really.

We fully explained this all up front when going over the contract. We discuss EVERY paragraph of the contract, with a boarder, when they first come here....to be sure they understand all the legalese, etc.

Our soft spot is in really letting them ever get behind in the first place....but I'd rather see a boarder get caught up, then kick them out. Still though, there's a reasonable amount of time too....and we're past that now.
 
Gazrok,

There is a balance. Being a strict Nazi that kicks someone out 1 day past due is too much (and you lose your boarders). But letting someone get 6 months behind and basically being their 'payday loan' source isn't right either.

It would make sense to include in your contract that if they get 60 days behind on boarding, you will take possession of the horse and they require an appointment to have supervised visits with the horse (unless they make arrangements before getting 2 months behind). Tell them when they sign the contract that communication is very important and if they get into financial troubles, to talk with you. Maybe you can have them clean stalls to help cover their fees? That shows 'compassion' on your side and 'commitment' on their side. Not that you want everyone doing this, but one person now and then isn't a disaster.

And I can understand your frustration and wanting to vent, I'm with you there.
 
It would make sense to include in your contract that if they get 60 days behind on boarding, you will take possession of the horse and they require an appointment to have supervised visits with the horse (unless they make arrangements before getting 2 months behind).

That's just it. We DO have that in the contract, if they are more than 2 months behind. We simply haven't exercised it (because frankly, no desire to feed MORE horses)...

And yeah, we've said repeatedly to COMMUNICATE financial issues with us, and that we can work with you to a point. We've already forgiven at least $100 in late fees, etc. Not to mention her rates were based on having more horses there, so that no longer applies. Just an all around crap fest.

We'll see what she comes up with payment wise this month. If it isn't up to snuff, I'm giving her the 30 day notice talk. Like you said, I can't keep being her payday advance loan. I simply can't afford to do that.
 
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They already clean their own stalls. We just do self board. I have to work in the city each day, so can't clean 9 stalls, lol. Hard enough to do 2 every other day, when I get home (our 2).

I do turn in though, for all 9, and drop feed, hay, and top off water for each, every am before I get ready for work. When we get home at night, I do the pm feed and hay, then turn them out into the pastures for the night. (and clean my two stalls).

Also feed the bunnies and chickens in the morning. (the wife feeds the cats and the dogs, and maintains the litter boxes).
 
Yeah, that's what I COULD do...

And yeah, I'm tired of being the doormat, which is why I'm sticking to the contract. No notice, you owe for the month. It's simple really. I think I just needed to vent, and ensure I'm not being an ### on it. No different than human rent really.

We fully explained this all up front when going over the contract. We discuss EVERY paragraph of the contract, with a boarder, when they first come here....to be sure they understand all the legalese, etc.

Our soft spot is in really letting them ever get behind in the first place....but I'd rather see a boarder get caught up, then kick them out. Still though, there's a reasonable amount of time too....and we're past that now.
Remember YOU didn't do anything wrong. People must take responsibility for their actions. If I didn't stay on who owes money where I work we would never get paid. I mean why would they pay if the one owed money to lets it drop or is seen as lenient. This can be nicely done, an email, etc. Just reminding you, etc. and asking for an update on payment for services that are past due, etc. Most of the time I find that if they know you won't relent on it, they will pay. It takes a lot of record keeping and is a pain. Welchers! Don't feel guilty about what you need to do, you didn't cause the mess, they did. Hang in there and keep to your guns.
 
They already clean their own stalls. We just do self board. I have to work in the city each day, so can't clean 9 stalls, lol. Hard enough to do 2 every other day, when I get home (our 2).

I do turn in though, for all 9, and drop feed, hay, and top off water for each, every am before I get ready for work. When we get home at night, I do the pm feed and hay, then turn them out into the pastures for the night. (and clean my two stalls).

Also feed the bunnies and chickens in the morning. (the wife feeds the cats and the dogs, and maintains the litter boxes).
You work hard and deserve your pay. You are not a cad.
 
That's just it. We DO have that in the contract, if they are more than 2 months behind. We simply haven't exercised it (because frankly, no desire to feed MORE horses)...

And yeah, we've said repeatedly to COMMUNICATE financial issues with us, and that we can work with you to a point. We've already forgiven at least $100 in late fees, etc. Not to mention her rates were based on having more horses there, so that no longer applies. Just an all around crap fest.

We'll see what she comes up with payment wise this month. If it isn't up to snuff, I'm giving her the 30 day notice talk. Like you said, I can't keep being her payday advance loan. I simply can't afford to do that.
I guess you have already had this contract reviewed by an attorney before using it. If it is legal, I would add you will dispose of the horse at a certain period. People get serious when they think about that. They just can't take the animal being 2 months owed. Oh Dear, I'm going to lose my Nellie if I don't come up with the money. Most of the time people have the money they just spend it on something else. I have a gal that has scheduled work a couple of times, and no show, now it is to the point that she has to pay up front, then we schedule. She knows it too and she knows why. It is reasonable. AS you can tell I have business experience. It is sad that we need to take these measures. Like laws are for people who either are too ignorant, stupid or selfish to do the right thing. We do take these actions because they are either too ignorant, stupid or selfish to do the right thing. Certainly this is on a case by case basis. When people do right then there is no issue.
I understand about explaining things to people, some just don't get it. I just go over and over it. Get on their level so they understand how the process works and even then someone thinks that they are entitled to special treatment. Ugh!
 
Yeah, that's what I COULD do...

And yeah, I'm tired of being the doormat, which is why I'm sticking to the contract. No notice, you owe for the month. It's simple really. I think I just needed to vent, and ensure I'm not being an ### on it. No different than human rent really.

We fully explained this all up front when going over the contract. We discuss EVERY paragraph of the contract, with a boarder, when they first come here....to be sure they understand all the legalese, etc.

Our soft spot is in really letting them ever get behind in the first place....but I'd rather see a boarder get caught up, then kick them out. Still though, there's a reasonable amount of time too....and we're past that now.
Your soft spot is your weakness and now that you acknowledge it you can change it.
 
Yep, I don't want to see folks parted from their horses if I can help it, but at the same time, I've got bills to pay too (and don't want to feed a seized horse, or have it take up a stall, frankly). And I'm already the cheapest game in town. For what we offer. I got pretty real with her yesterday (and she ponied up some money real quick). If she pays more than her monthly (so something towards the back owed money) by the end of the month, I'll keep working with her. But if she goes any further in the hole, I'm giving her the 30 day notice.
 
I have this one, fell behind in board.

Technically, she was in breach of contract with how behind she was (meaning technically, we owned her horses...though we just aren't like that).

She goes and sells the damn horse (one of them, on the 5th). No notice, discussion, etc. (so basically, she committed fraud, in selling something she no longer owns).

Now, she boarded TWO horses with us. We do require a deposit of one month, (because of issues in the past), and she paid that for both previously. But, we also require 30 days notice if moving, selling the horse, or you owe for the whole month's board. (even though only there 5 days in July).

It's right in her contract, and she's still pitching a fit about it. (even though half of her (already paid) deposit was applied to pay for this month, to reduce her owed balance). I really hate these frickin' morons.

Or am I being an ###?
Your being too soft. This is business. Some people will do anything they can to take advantage of people like you who are too kind. Sell the horse and take the deadbeat to small claims court cover the unpaid balance.
Years ago I plowed the neighbors driveway. It was about a half mile long and when I was done the asshole said he couldn't pay. I didn't say a word and went out and started putting the snow back in his driveway. It was amazing at how fast he was able to pay me. He whined about how he couldn't feed his kids, blah, blah, blah. We all have our own problems.
If this person is having problems paying their bills, the first thing to go should be the horses.
 
Yep, I don't want to see folks parted from their horses if I can help it, but at the same time, I've got bills to pay too (and don't want to feed a seized horse, or have it take up a stall, frankly). And I'm already the cheapest game in town. For what we offer. I got pretty real with her yesterday (and she ponied up some money real quick). If she pays more than her monthly (so something towards the back owed money) by the end of the month, I'll keep working with her. But if she goes any further in the hole, I'm giving her the 30 day notice.
There ya go pard. Also I recommend that you survey what others charge and put your price right there with them for like services since that is what the market bears.
 
Your being too soft. This is business. Some people will do anything they can to take advantage of people like you who are too kind. Sell the horse and take the deadbeat to small claims court cover the unpaid balance.
Years ago I plowed the neighbors driveway. It was about a half mile long and when I was done the asshole said he couldn't pay. I didn't say a word and went out and started putting the snow back in his driveway. It was amazing at how fast he was able to pay me. He whined about how he couldn't feed his kids, blah, blah, blah. We all have our own problems.
If this person is having problems paying their bills, the first thing to go should be the horses.
Sounds like this guy was just trying to rip you. If he had said, I need my lane plowed but I can't pay you right now, then that leaves the decision up to you. You may want to do it as a favor, or tell him to pay you half now and half later but it gives options. but to have you come and do it, then say thanks but I won't pay you! BS! There are takers and there are givers. The dude was a taker and a liar.
 
Sounds like this guy was just trying to rip you. If he had said, I need my lane plowed but I can't pay you right now, then that leaves the decision up to you. You may want to do it as a favor, or tell him to pay you half now and half later but it gives options. but to have you come and do it, then say thanks but I won't pay you! BS! There are takers and there are givers. The dude was a taker and a liar.
Absolutely. This guy heard that I plowed snow in the area and contacted me. I told him my rates and he agreed. The guy was new to the area, probably from California. I cleared a number of driveways for people who didn't have much money and were walking through several feet of snow, and never charged them. They all offered me things in trade; fresh baked bread, jams and jelly's, etc. That always meant more to me than money.
 
I have one customer that was a commercial property manager. He had a lot of properties we serviced. He left the company a year ago and went back to selling houses. He still calls us occasionally to fix something on a punch list of the houses he is working with. Even though we don’t normally do residential work, because of the history with him we have been ok with the simple service calls. Now, one of the homeowners sent us 20.00 on a 402.00 bill. Are you kidding? Banks are there for financing, not my little electrical company. So, a couple phone calls and the promise they will pay in full, all is good. However, no more residential calls until this is resolved. In business you will have the occasional issue, but if you let the issue continue then you call that charity.
 

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