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savageagle

HamRadio/Office of Emergency Services/Fire-EMT-SAR
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Fire and Survival.........
Fire has a strong positve psychological impact upon an individual in a survival situation.
Fire is the most important survival tool after your personal wilderness knowledge, maintenance of calm and a positive attitude.

Fire provides warmth which helps your mind have a positive approach.
Fire makes you feel protected from all "those wild animals out there in the shadows".
Fire let's you cook meals and use many edible plants that would otherwise be hard to prepare.
Wet cloting can be dried in a fire. This can help you avoid hypothermia.
Water can be boiled for purification.
Fire can be used to send smoke signals.
Fire can be used to burn the end of a stick to make a pointed spear.
Fire and smoke can repel insects.
Fire can be used to burn trunks or large sticks so they are more manageable to be used for condtruction of a shelter.
Smoke can be used to smoke out wild bees to access their honey.
Fire can be used to smoke small animals out of their burrows into traps.
FIre torches, at night, can be used to blind fish in shallow streams making them easier to capture.
Building a fire, when needed will increase your ability to survive in the wilderness. Build a fire as soon as you have a basic shelter. You can improve
on your shelter once you have a fire going in the dark.
You should appreciate the importance of fire and know the different methods of starting a fire, transporting a fire,
and building a fire to fill your needs. Alway's keep a case of waterproof matches on your body.
Build a small fire as it requires less energy, burns wood at a slower rate and is easier to control.
To maximise heat build a series of small fires in a circle around your camp.
SITE FOR FIRE.......
Avoid windy areas as the fire can flare up and burn out of control. If required build a reflector or windbreak out of green wood, rocks or
dig a pit. The advantage of a reflector is that it concentrates in the desired direction.
Clear the camp ground of all inflammable material before starting a fire. Rake towards the center where you will burn all
the leaves, pine needles and other debris then clear a perimeter outwards from the fire area.
DO NOT build a fire against an old log or tree trunk as it may smolder for days and burst into flames when fanned by the breeze.
DO NOT build a fire below the boughs of a tree as they will be dried by the heat and might catch fire.
Before de-camping make sure that all sparks of the fire have been put out by thoroughly drenching or smothering it completely
with wet earth or sand.
If the ground is wet or snow covered build a platform of green or wet logs or stones. DO NOT use wet or large humid rocks as
they might explode when they are heated.
( Important for areas such as Northern California where you find lava rock. Looks like a sponge and lighter than normal for it's size.
Has many air pockets and when heated can become projectiles and could cause damage and personal injury)
( I have experienced this first hand. Had my vehicle left with major dents as the lava rocks became heated they began to "shoot" from the fire
exploding in all directions. If your hit you can sustain serious injury and may need medical attention).
TYPES OF WOOD........
Hardwood.
In general hardwoods make good, slow burning fires that yield long lasting coals. These trees have broad leaves which most of them
lose in the fall. (deciduous)
Hardwoods are not necessarily always harder than sofdtwoods.
Softwood.
Softwoods make a hot fast fire that is short lived. These trees have needles (flat needles: cedars, round needles" pine) and cones.
This is why they are called conifers.
Most are evergreens (do not lose their needles) except larch, cypress and tamarack.
WOOD FOR A FIRE.
You have to know:
The relative heating value of differnet woods.
How well each wood burns in the green state.
Which wood makes long lasting coals and which one dies down to ashes.
Which woods pops when burning and casts embers that may burn holes in bedding, clothes, tents and possibly cause a forest fire.
Difficulty in splitting
Ease of lighting.
PEAT MOSS.
Peat moss is an accumilation of plant deposits that have collected in swamps and bogs over hundreds and thousands of years.
The plant debris did not decompose as it lacked oxygen. The peat moss is removed by slicing it like blocks of snow. On harvesting
it is dried before use. Peat is found in much of Unites States and Canada. It makes great Peat fires and
was very popular during colonist times.
STARTING A FIRE
Start with the smallest of fuels.......dry grasses, moss etc. a very small handfull or less, uncompressed.
(If you have used a saw type blade to cut wood, SAVE the saw dust for this).
You want to succeed the first time so start very small and advance to larger and larger fuels taking care NOT to
smother the fire. BE PATIENT and allow the fire to fully consume the fuels you have given it before adding new
fuels to burn.
In a "pinch" you can obtain material from inside a jacket that will get a small flame started, enough flame to ignite the next
larger fuels.
Another item to keep in your "go bag" is a wad of steel wool and a 9 volt battery. Tear off a small piece of steel wool
and form a "nest" of sorts making it round with the sides higher than the middle. Like a "bowl" shape. Place in the middle
your dry grass, moss or other fuel then use the 9 volt battery and press it against the bottom of the steel wool allowing the
positive/negative contacts of the battery to contact the steel wool. When a circuit is completed between the positive and negative
contacts of the battery the steel wool will glow "red hot" and ignite the fuel inside giving you a small flame to start with.
This will be your fire base to build on slowly adding larger and larger fuels to get the desired fire you need.
REMEMBER to BE PATIENT and take the small advances to build your fire and you'll succeed.
Instead of steel wool and a battery, make this "nest" out of moss or dry grasses and use a magnesium or "flint" fire starter
and get your sparks into the middle of your "nest" then lightly blow on it while adding small amounts of more fuel. If it's got a "glow"
to it you can get a flame out of it, just be patient and don't smother it.
If you don't succeed the first time do it again. Pratice makes perfect and most small children love to practice this one.
My 2 grandboys love to make all types of fires with grandpa and they have the most patience of all of us, and of course they are the
most satisfied and excited when we succeed.
Good Luck with FIRE MAKING, SAFETY IS ALWAYS FIRST AND FOREMOST, as is your life and the lives of others. BE SMART.
 
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just curious. between carrying cotton balls with vaseline or cotton balls with a bottle of rubbing alcohol, which is better?

I reckon cotton balls with isophoryl alcohol can double for sanitzing needs.
 
just curious. between carrying cotton balls with vaseline or cotton balls with a bottle of rubbing alcohol, which is better?

I reckon cotton balls with isophoryl alcohol can double for sanitzing needs.

I would stick with vaseline on the cotton balls they make EXCELLENT fire starters and burn for a long time, I think the alcohol would burn away too fast to start a good fire especally in damp conditions, alcohol is also dangerous when lit you can't see the fire. If I was to carry a bottle of alcohol it would be vodka or rum those have a lot more uses than rubbing alcohol and will still burn, just say'n.;)
 
vodka could be used to sanitize stuff too right?

Vodka has been used as medicine for years, google "medicinal uses for vodka". I don't even drink but I keep a small bottle in my BOB, if I don't need it for medical reasons I can use it to barter for stuff I do need.
 
just curious. between carrying cotton balls with vaseline or cotton balls with a bottle of rubbing alcohol, which is better?

A lighter?

Seriously, if you're carrying preps anyhow, why make it difficult? If you really wanna be rugged, add in a fire striker, and some dryer lint for kindling purposes (a lot less messy)

Primo idea on including little booze sampler bottles in the BOB though...that is a good idea!
 
A lighter?

Seriously, if you're carrying preps anyhow, why make it difficult? If you really wanna be rugged, add in a fire striker, and some dryer lint for kindling purposes (a lot less messy)

I do carry a lighter and matches, and they will work fine under the right conditions but what if it’s raining or snowing, what if the dryer lint gets wet, vaseline coated cotton balls will light in the rain and burn long enough to dry out a little wood to get a fire going, remember two is one, one is none, always carry at least one back up, and if you have never started a fire with "vaseline balls" you should try it, you'll never go back to plain tender again they are amazing and the only mess is when you make them, I keep mine in an old aspirin bottle no mess and always ready.
 
Pop showed me when I was a wee lad how to dig up lighter'd knots. He never used lighter fluid to start a fire on the grill back then, always used lighter'd. (at some point he went all citified and started using a gas grill)

Don't ask me why it's called lighter'd, I have no idea.

Dig around an old pine tree and find a knot in a root. An old dead pine stump is best, just about all the part of the stump below ground is saturated with resin. Cut it into wedges. Light the pointy tip of a wedge and watch it burn!
 
thanks guys for the feedback. I had the opportunity to try the cotton ball with rubbing alcohol. The fire is not invisible but burns yellow and blue.

I think it might be prudent to bring a few options. A Small bottle of rubbing alcohol (sanitizing and fire starting) - 50ml, A few bottles of Alcohol (Vodka/Bourbon/Tequila) (Sanitizing, firestarting, bartering) and a tube of vaseline (Firestarting, Lubing, prevention of dryness on limbs).

These provide multiple ways to start fires and supports the prepper medically.

I was using lighter fluid for my penny stoves but found that they melt the plastic bottles. So rubbing alcohol would work better. Plus, if I really need to, I can always build normal fires with the rest of the other stuff.

Multiple ways is always good. I intend to carry a few lighters, matches, firesteel, maybe even abit of steel wool and 9v batteries. Multi-use redundancies are the key words for my BOB atm.
 
Learning different ways to start a fire is a great thing. Learning to build and get a fire to stay lit is an art, something I just took as common sense growing up.

But as mentioned why not use technology to your advantage, bring a lighter. Not saying not to have your fire steel as a backup, just in case. Carrying your own tinder like cotton balls and Vaseline makes perfect sense as well. Although as Doc pointed out there are sources available even if wet conditions.

Don't freak: but there's always the redneck/hillbilly way to start a fire even in the wettest of conditions and I am not talking gasoline. A road flare will heat and dry out your kindling even in the wettest of conditions, as a last case resort.
 
A road flare will heat and dry out your kindling even in the wettest of conditions, as a last case resort.

Yep, I keep two in my GHB.
 
Yep, I keep two in my GHB.

Lol. I thought I was going to get the traditionalists jumping all over me. Lol

Mine are actually maritime signal flares. I have a bunch that are past their date to pass a Coast Guard inspection. Put a couple in my bag. Good source for a couple of flares if you know a boater. The white and orange coloration looks less like a stick of dynamite, Lol.
 
I'm more about what works fast, vs. purity. Not above a good working solution. ;)
 

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