Faraday cage question

[bigpaul]

it seems to me people are trying to live the same kind of lifestyle they had before SHTF after the collapse, when the stores are empty and the power is down, solar panels might be workable for a short while but you will need a warehouse of spare parts to keep the thing running without a manufacturing base, and as soon as the chemicals wear out the batteries will be useless.
at least a simple, some would say primitive lifestyle would give a base level to work from and we could move forward from there.
in the past when civilisations collapsed the survivors could access their daily needs from their own labour and just wait for "civilisation" to reassert itself no matter how long that took, but that is no longer possible if one relies on modern technology and mass produced products.

 

[firewallsrus]

Again Paul. We get it. You don't want anything to do with technology. Why are you spending time in a thread you profess to have no interest in?

 

[tmttactical]

Again Paul. We get it. You don't want anything to do with technology. Why are you spending time in a thread you profess to have no interest in?

Why do you care if Paul posts opposing views?

 

[DrHenley]

Paul is our friendly neighborhood curmudgeon. Get used to it...

 

[firewallsrus]

Why do you care if Paul posts opposing views?

It's like a few of us having a discussion about the best way to cook our favorite cut of beef, but there's a vegetarian who keeps saying they don't eat meat. That's great for the vegetarian, but it really adds nothing to the conversation.

Mentioning you have no interest in the topic one time should be sufficient. I know a lady at church with Asperger Syndrome who is the same way. She'll walk up to a discussion of the most scenic motorcycle roads nearby. She will opine that she doesn't ride motorcycles because they are dangerous. We nod politely and admit they aren't for everyone then return to the conversation. A moment later she'll say she doesn't ride motorcycles because they are dangerous. We tolerate it from her because of the way hr mind works, but I think Paul just does it because he is bored.

 

[tmttactical]

Weather Paul is bored or not, really does not matter. Simply continue on with your discussion. He has a right to post his dissent as many times as he wishes, the same as you have the right to post your opinion as many time as you wish. When people post opinions I disagree with, I will offer debate and counter points or just move on with the discussion. I am not obligated to control a discussion, neither are other members on this forum, except the Moderators and the ADmin.

 

[bigpaul]

I am merely pointing out the downside of trying to rely on technology in a post SHTF world.

 

[Proud Prepper]

Paul is just trying to save us all. He has a huge heart.

 

[bigpaul]

I've been trying to advise people about how POST SHTF will be for the last nearly 10 years but I don't think anyone's listening!
well not many anyway.

 

[firewallsrus]

Perhaps the trouble Paul is having is that people don't find it credible that Paul has real-world post apocalyptic experience. Unlike the rest of us who speculate on what conditions and duration might be like, Paul already knows the cause, effect, and duration of the specific SHTF event that he knows for a fact will happen. Without such absolute knowledge it isn't possible to do more than speculate on any details.

 

[bigpaul]

because I have done the research and I have lived off grid for many years and know what I have to do to live in a simple fashion with hand tools and growing my own food, I try to pass this information onto others, unfortunately most people are like firewallsus and deride my attempts at help.
pity.

 

[firewallsrus]

It isn't that I don't appreciate contributions to the conversation. I just think it is amazing how much knowledge you claim of things that have not come to pass. You have not experienced TEOTWAKI or anything like it. We are all just speculating. Some are speculating causes of SHTF, others are speculating about the effects. nobody, including a guy who's idea of living off-grid includes Internet access, knows any of the things you state as factual to be true.

 

[Proud Prepper]

I was in N.O when Katrina hit and throughout the recovery. I have read the reports of about a dozen EMP tests, such as Project Starfish and Project K. I have been through week long winter storms without power. Anything and everything is possible, both good and bad.

Some things will survive and work that you didn't expect to and other things won't that you would swear would be protected. There are way to many verables for anyone to know for certain what will or will not survive after an EMP.

 

[tmttactical]

I was in N.O when Katrina hit and throughout the recovery. I have read the reports of about a dozen EMP tests, such as Project Starfish and Project K. I have been through week long winter storms without power. Anything and everything is possible, both good and bad.

Some things will survive and work that you didn't expect to and other things won't that you would swear would be protected. There are way to many verables for anyone to know for certain what will or will not survive after an EMP.

That is the exact reason I decided NOT to prep for EMP. Resources are too scarce to prep when there is too much debate about how to prep and if it would actually work. I can prep for power failure and for no power at all but I can't afford to prep for a maybe it will work idea.

 

[bigpaul]

I prep to survive at a basic level I know I can survive at, if some things still work that I don't expect to work then that is a bonus, but as no one can guarantee that this will be the case I don't assume that they will function and I prep to survive at a simpler level.

 

[firewallsrus]

Someone once said; "Ignorance can kill just as easily as disease or a bullet."

Ignorance is simply a lack of knowledge and can be cured through learning. When a person regards guesses and opinions as factual, that false knowledge is more readily lethal than disease, bullet, or even a recognized lack of knowledge. Recognizing the difference between guess, and fact would go a long way toward survival. This is probably especially true in an area as densely populated as Devon County.

 

[bigpaul]

that sounds like a personal attack to me.
I don't guess anything, my knowledge comes from personal experience of life.
the part of Devon I live in(the northern rural part) has a low population.
the population of my area is a lot less than the 25,000 that live in paris, texas, much, much less.
FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devon

 

[firewallsrus]

It isn't a personal attack at all. It is an attack on false facts. Army's are at more of a disadvantage when armed with false-facts, than with incomplete information. I welcome your opinions as readily as anyone else's, as long as people aren't being encouraged to confuse fact with opinion.

To give an extreme example: I could state as an opinion that "I think the weapon is unloaded." (For the record I can't think of a situation where I would say that.) Even if someone thought me to be generally knowledgeable, they should be giving it only the weight of an opinion and quickly discard the information. On the other hand, it would be irresponsible of me to make the statement; "This weapon is unloaded." This is how people get hurt. For that reason, I would rather opinions be stated as such. So no, it is not a personal attack, but an attack on facts not in evidence.

And yes, your "facts" are correct. Paris, Texas where I live does have a population of around 25,000. Then again, I don't think I have ever told anyone that I live "off-grid" or that it is any part of my strategy. When stating actual facts, it is a great idea to back them up as you did above with references.

When I retired, I moved away from the city to Paris specifically to bug out to a manageable community. My research (and yes, it is just my opinion) is that at 25,000, an agrarian community is just the right size for post-collapse. I am not a hermit, nor do I believe a solitary existence will assist this great nation to rebuild after whatever happens. Small Mutual Assistance groups are full of potential "gotchas" and in my "opinion", they don't have much promise for long term survival.

As far as I can recall, the only fact I have brought up is that nobody knows the manner, timeline, or after-effects of TEOTWAWKI. The rest of it is merely my opinion.

 

[tmttactical]

Someone once said; "Ignorance can kill just as easily as disease or a bullet."

Ignorance is simply a lack of knowledge and can be cured through learning. When a person regards guesses and opinions as factual, that false knowledge is more readily lethal than disease, bullet, or even a recognized lack of knowledge. Recognizing the difference between guess, and fact would go a long way toward survival. This is probably especially true in an area as densely populated as Devon County.

Would you care to be a bit more detailed about what the heck you are talking about. Since the OP is about Faraday cages, are you saying they work or that they don't work? I would enjoy seeing documented proof they will work against an EMP attack or a major Solar Storm. All my research has been inconclusive.

 

[Proud Prepper]

Yes there will be some success of your faraday cages and EMP shielding working. Shield your equipment as your budget or your desire allows. This is my opinion. Also be prepared to live without any of it working.