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Don’t let yourself, or your children, or grandchildren, die, trying to help someone during an emergency first aider situation. Don’t be a “Guinea pig” or a “canary in the coal mines” or your family or loved ones.

On Sept 7 2018. I finished a 2 day first aider training course. All of us, where shown pictures, of how much Heroin it takes to kill a person, and right beside that, how much Fentanyl it takes to kill you or a loved one. At most, 10 to 15 grains of sand sided pieces, of fentanyl, will kill you. Less for a smaller person, I would guess.

Mere skin contact will kill you, or otherwise cause grave bodily harm, to you, or loved ones.

During this standard first aid course. We were told to wear our personal protective gear, and how to properly take off your gloves. Basically, all your personal protective gear is gloves. Other personal protective gear was talked about.

During this part of the course dealing with a suspected drug “Over-Dose”. It was stressed how dangerous this drug is, and certain other drugs were mentioned too.

It was also mentioned a police officer over-dosed and died, from exposure basically. An extremely well trained and equipped police officer. Compared to the average lay person anyway, and especially compared to a scared young person.

I said “I’m not touching that person”. I should have also said, “I’m scared to touch the door handle now too.” I didn’t 100 percent realize at the time. But I should have also said ”I’m not going to be a Guinea pig, to make sure it’s safe for professional people. Having me or other lay persons, doing a head to toe examination still, in an extremely dangerous situation for myself personally.”

Professionals have the training, and equipment, and frankly, top end government life insurance, survivor benefits, if it comes to it. Maybe other life insurance to. They can get retrained to work in the government, doing something else. More people probably die, working at a corner store for low wages, than them still. Then again maybe not, in this situation.

In some ways, this drug is like a nerve gas agent, that happens to be a solid. As far as how much material is needed to kill. Very few people, even in an industrial situation, have access to such a dangerous chemical, lethal in such small quantities.

It was stressed many times during the course to not put yourself in personal danger. Causing a even greater need for medical personal during a actual ongoing medical emergency I guess. At the same time, we (lay persons) are supposed to do something extremely dangerous during a suspected drug over-dose situation. Where the odds of you or others dying, have greatly increased.

I do not believe personally, that this is the proper response “getting physically involved still”, for a lay person anyway, in a suspected “over-dose” situation. Especially minors too, young and naïve, and trusting of authority figures. Getting physically involved, and most likely also getting exposed like the dead police officer did. Rubbing up against that person, being in an awkward position, and rubbing up again surrounding objects like the floor, tables, chairs, personal clothing. Maybe Fentanyl particles in the air by that person.

You may think. Well, I simply will not help that person, other than by calling for help. What if it’s a loved one, or a friend, or a college at work or your child’s friend at school. You may forget then, or your good Samaritan child may forget. You need to not forget, especially your children. Friendly helping children. That means constant reminders and such. Especially on weekends (parties), when they might go somewhere else, where anybody can show up. It only has to happen once.

That over-dosed person may look like a business person or be a politician. I don’t care. Other than calling on my personal phone. I’m not getting involved. Not going to touch that person’s phone for sure. A suspected over-dosed, has taken place. It must be treated as a dire threat situation to your life, or a loved one’s life. Tell them, it’s ok to do nothing and I want you to, if your scared for your life (you better be). They in a deadly situation (always). With an unseen, deadly menace.

As far as I am concerned. If you see someone looking even unconscious and your are basically alone for sure. Best for safety sake, to treat it, as a drug over-dose situation. Call the authorities right away. An ambulance does not have to arrive.

You are talking to an expert, or more of an expert than you. I said when this was mentioned, that basically, you could have just walked into a scene of extreme violent. So, I’m going to get help, or call right away for help, right away basically. If 3 or 4 guys walk in, and decide to take your cell phone. There is nothing you can do really, about it, and anything else, they want to do to you, or a loved one.

If they need more dispatchers, they need more dispatchers. I can’t see, having a well-informed general public, having a problem with that.

I knew right away; how dangerous this situation is to me personally. How did the authorities, at best, not realize how dangerous this training, in this one situation was, and still is to the public at large? And you are told how dangerous it is, by the authorities. Implying “it’s your fault” if something bad happened, or your loved one’s fault.

So certain pampered groups, had a real, deadly dangerous situation, they might encounter anywhere, at any time. Threats of violence, deadly force, and breaking serious laws, has no effect, to increase their (professional) personal safety, in this situation.

It’s interesting to see, what was done to increase their own personal safety, in a situation like this. What politicians allowed them to do. Basically, using human shields to protect themselves. Even, and especially children. A party is probably the most likely place for this situation to occur. To your children anyway.

I assume, minors get the same first aider training, that might cause them to lose their life. Most likely to lose there life, or be seriously injured. If someone over-dosed for any reason and stops breathing fro any reason. Even if they are saved, brain damage still might occur. To one degree or another.

What gets done to one or can be, gets done to all or can be. Wherever that person is at that time, and one location. As soon as they want to, or circumstance permit.

Points “that one” or in this case “all of them.”

Extremely powerful people like people in the justice and medical community. Well powerful to you anyway, are extremely dangerous to deal with, or to be allowed to make decisions, that effect you, your family, and loved ones, and everyone else. When they do not have your best interest, always, front and center, in their minds with everything they do. Or your loved one’s best interest at heart.

Too bad. Know liars and worst, can not be trusted, to give an honest answer to honest questions. If you dare still to ask. Especially went it’s important, or convenient, for them to lie, and otherwise, be dishonest, even criminally so. With criminal behaviors too, maybe thrown in.

When the government, down plays the severity of an event or issue or if bad enough. The government, and national and other press, fail to even acknowledge it, to calm your justified anger at them, and not even let you know. The issue or real issue. Well. That in itself, is a de-fact-o coverup being done, to the general public at large by your government, and the press. Of how bad it really is at least, or even not giving you any clue about something, when bad enough. Yet again. Don't swear at them though, or the police will be called on you.

When a politician is forced to explain, to the general public, the severity or importance, of yet another thing they were in charge of. That they got caught doing or not doing (There actual job). (They always blame someone else). Whatever that issue or event is, probably events plural. Just one bad event talked about though.

God help you, because no one else will if no one knows “the truth”. Especially not the “justice” community or the medical community. If no one knows, or cares about, what’s being done to you and well me or everyone.

George Collins

A Human Rights Activist

Question: How many laypersons has this training already killed? Or injured (brain damaged)?

I have no internet access on Sundays right now. Or I would have put this out today Sept 9. Told some people though. The basics.

Save a life. Maybe more than one. Spread the truth far and wide.
 
I can't imagine I'll ever be in a position to have to deal with an OD. If I ever am, I'm likely to simply call 911 and let it be as it may. I'm not going to risk my life for a junkie.

Similar idea, the other day, we saw a car with a fire under it, on the side of the bridge. It (fire) was small enough that it may not have been visible to the driver (if they were in there, it was dark, so hard to tell)... We honked our horn loudly as we went by. It was near the gas tank, and I'm not risking my life (or my truck), especially if it was empty....but we did call 911 immediately, and report it (they already knew and had a unit on the way).

Fought every instinct in me, with logic, for that one.
 
Don’t let yourself, or your children, or grandchildren, die, trying to help someone during an emergency first aider situation. Don’t be a “Guinea pig” or a “canary in the coal mines” or your family or loved ones.

On Sept 7 2018. I finished a 2 day first aider training course. All of us, where shown pictures, of how much Heroin it takes to kill a person, and right beside that, how much Fentanyl it takes to kill you or a loved one. At most, 10 to 15 grains of sand sided pieces, of fentanyl, will kill you. Less for a smaller person, I would guess.

Mere skin contact will kill you, or otherwise cause grave bodily harm, to you, or loved ones.

During this standard first aid course. We were told to wear our personal protective gear, and how to properly take off your gloves. Basically, all your personal protective gear is gloves. Other personal protective gear was talked about.

During this part of the course dealing with a suspected drug “Over-Dose”. It was stressed how dangerous this drug is, and certain other drugs were mentioned too.

It was also mentioned a police officer over-dosed and died, from exposure basically. An extremely well trained and equipped police officer. Compared to the average lay person anyway, and especially compared to a scared young person.

I said “I’m not touching that person”. I should have also said, “I’m scared to touch the door handle now too.” I didn’t 100 percent realize at the time. But I should have also said ”I’m not going to be a Guinea pig, to make sure it’s safe for professional people. Having me or other lay persons, doing a head to toe examination still, in an extremely dangerous situation for myself personally.”

Professionals have the training, and equipment, and frankly, top end government life insurance, survivor benefits, if it comes to it. Maybe other life insurance to. They can get retrained to work in the government, doing something else. More people probably die, working at a corner store for low wages, than them still. Then again maybe not, in this situation.

In some ways, this drug is like a nerve gas agent, that happens to be a solid. As far as how much material is needed to kill. Very few people, even in an industrial situation, have access to such a dangerous chemical, lethal in such small quantities.

It was stressed many times during the course to not put yourself in personal danger. Causing a even greater need for medical personal during a actual ongoing medical emergency I guess. At the same time, we (lay persons) are supposed to do something extremely dangerous during a suspected drug over-dose situation. Where the odds of you or others dying, have greatly increased.

I do not believe personally, that this is the proper response “getting physically involved still”, for a lay person anyway, in a suspected “over-dose” situation. Especially minors too, young and naïve, and trusting of authority figures. Getting physically involved, and most likely also getting exposed like the dead police officer did. Rubbing up against that person, being in an awkward position, and rubbing up again surrounding objects like the floor, tables, chairs, personal clothing. Maybe Fentanyl particles in the air by that person.

You may think. Well, I simply will not help that person, other than by calling for help. What if it’s a loved one, or a friend, or a college at work or your child’s friend at school. You may forget then, or your good Samaritan child may forget. You need to not forget, especially your children. Friendly helping children. That means constant reminders and such. Especially on weekends (parties), when they might go somewhere else, where anybody can show up. It only has to happen once.

That over-dosed person may look like a business person or be a politician. I don’t care. Other than calling on my personal phone. I’m not getting involved. Not going to touch that person’s phone for sure. A suspected over-dosed, has taken place. It must be treated as a dire threat situation to your life, or a loved one’s life. Tell them, it’s ok to do nothing and I want you to, if your scared for your life (you better be). They in a deadly situation (always). With an unseen, deadly menace.

As far as I am concerned. If you see someone looking even unconscious and your are basically alone for sure. Best for safety sake, to treat it, as a drug over-dose situation. Call the authorities right away. An ambulance does not have to arrive.

You are talking to an expert, or more of an expert than you. I said when this was mentioned, that basically, you could have just walked into a scene of extreme violent. So, I’m going to get help, or call right away for help, right away basically. If 3 or 4 guys walk in, and decide to take your cell phone. There is nothing you can do really, about it, and anything else, they want to do to you, or a loved one.

If they need more dispatchers, they need more dispatchers. I can’t see, having a well-informed general public, having a problem with that.

I knew right away; how dangerous this situation is to me personally. How did the authorities, at best, not realize how dangerous this training, in this one situation was, and still is to the public at large? And you are told how dangerous it is, by the authorities. Implying “it’s your fault” if something bad happened, or your loved one’s fault.

So certain pampered groups, had a real, deadly dangerous situation, they might encounter anywhere, at any time. Threats of violence, deadly force, and breaking serious laws, has no effect, to increase their (professional) personal safety, in this situation.

It’s interesting to see, what was done to increase their own personal safety, in a situation like this. What politicians allowed them to do. Basically, using human shields to protect themselves. Even, and especially children. A party is probably the most likely place for this situation to occur. To your children anyway.

I assume, minors get the same first aider training, that might cause them to lose their life. Most likely to lose there life, or be seriously injured. If someone over-dosed for any reason and stops breathing fro any reason. Even if they are saved, brain damage still might occur. To one degree or another.

What gets done to one or can be, gets done to all or can be. Wherever that person is at that time, and one location. As soon as they want to, or circumstance permit.

Points “that one” or in this case “all of them.”

Extremely powerful people like people in the justice and medical community. Well powerful to you anyway, are extremely dangerous to deal with, or to be allowed to make decisions, that effect you, your family, and loved ones, and everyone else. When they do not have your best interest, always, front and center, in their minds with everything they do. Or your loved one’s best interest at heart.

Too bad. Know liars and worst, can not be trusted, to give an honest answer to honest questions. If you dare still to ask. Especially went it’s important, or convenient, for them to lie, and otherwise, be dishonest, even criminally so. With criminal behaviors too, maybe thrown in.

When the government, down plays the severity of an event or issue or if bad enough. The government, and national and other press, fail to even acknowledge it, to calm your justified anger at them, and not even let you know. The issue or real issue. Well. That in itself, is a de-fact-o coverup being done, to the general public at large by your government, and the press. Of how bad it really is at least, or even not giving you any clue about something, when bad enough. Yet again. Don't swear at them though, or the police will be called on you.

When a politician is forced to explain, to the general public, the severity or importance, of yet another thing they were in charge of. That they got caught doing or not doing (There actual job). (They always blame someone else). Whatever that issue or event is, probably events plural. Just one bad event talked about though.

God help you, because no one else will if no one knows “the truth”. Especially not the “justice” community or the medical community. If no one knows, or cares about, what’s being done to you and well me or everyone.

George Collins

A Human Rights Activist

Question: How many laypersons has this training already killed? Or injured (brain damaged)?

I have no internet access on Sundays right now. Or I would have put this out today Sept 9. Told some people though. The basics.

Save a life. Maybe more than one. Spread the truth far and wide.
Had a little difficulty following your post but the gist I get is that if you are going to help someone then be aware that you risk your life doing so.
 
they sure thought us in paramedic school,that you don't risk your own life by some stupid heroics,always protect you and your buddy and even
if I know how to CPR all the nine yrds,my lips will never touch a strangers lying on the street..never.
 
and therefore,I have had long thoughts when I've had problems to fall a sleep,what would I do if some serious pandemic came??
would I risk my life at the hospital,by takeing care of others and prolly risking the life of those I care most,my family..carrying some
nasty shyt back home..
would I simply refuse to go to work..still trying to find out the answer
 
May not know unless it came to it. No sense beating yourself up over it. Personally, when the SHTF, I'm all for me and mine first. I'll let the rest sort it out for themselves. I imagine most folks are the same.

For that reason, if it does ever happen, it's why I have little faith in the police, military, or other authorities. Not because of some weird conspiracy stuff, but because they are human beings, and will respond as humans do, and likely not show up for work that day, because they are seeing to their own family's safety. Not all, but I can't really fault those that go that route.
 
When I was an EMT self preservation was always stressed. When your job is to go into dangerous situations routinely, being too eager to help will get you hurt quickly. Always evaluate the risk to yourself before jumping into any situation.
As far as a pandemic, I’m certain a good portion of law enforcement and medical staff will abandon their duties for self preservation. Myself included.
 
No worries mate, you can rest easy. I've handled fentanyl, and most every other drug I can think of, bare handed. It won't get you off handling it, let alone kill you.

The prescription fentanyl PATCH is absorbed through the skin, on a carrier.

Street crap fentanyl powder won't hurt you a bit. Anyone who says different, is lying, or hasn't actually handled the stuff.

Think about it. Meth is snorted, smoked, or injected (I've seen it ingested...), Same for cocain. Heroin as well. If you could get off just by getting your palm coated in even the finest cut powder, no one would inject.
 
Also, they can't show you how much heroin or fentanyl it takes to kill you. I have watched people overdose, on the same amount they were shooting 3 months ago before they went to jail. They get out, different weight, different tolerance...

What kind of first aid training was this?

Seems pretty rumor based, at least on the drug side of it.

Fentanyl, and Carfentanil, have been around forever. I saw it in the early nineties, up to the early 00's. It was never a big deal, just another drug.

Now, folks import it from China, in massive quantities, and sell it at heroin prices. Or do a sloppy cut, so instead of 1/50th consistent cut through out the bag, there are spots of pure fentanyl, and the third time they inject, that's it.
Folks here are pretty judgemental about junkies, not saying I disagree totally, but I knew a lot of people back in the day who were functional and unless you were in the biz, you would never have known. Lawyers, city managers, doctors... Now it's suburban whites, who get addicted to oxycontin, then get their prescription pulled for abuse. Then they go "pain manage," on the street.

It's a shame, really. I blame big pharma as much as poor judgement and loose morals.

Just my opinion.
 
No worries mate, you can rest easy. I've handled fentanyl, and most every other drug I can think of, bare handed. It won't get you off handling it, let alone kill you.

The prescription fentanyl PATCH is absorbed through the skin, on a carrier.

Street crap fentanyl powder won't hurt you a bit. Anyone who says different, is lying, or hasn't actually handled the stuff.

Think about it. Meth is snorted, smoked, or injected (I've seen it ingested...), Same for cocain. Heroin as well. If you could get off just by getting your palm coated in even the finest cut powder, no one would inject.

the more I read the original post,the more I think ;what??
there's something I can't yet put my finger on that slightly bother me...
 
they sure thought us in paramedic school,that you don't risk your own life by some stupid heroics,always protect you and your buddy and even
if I know how to CPR all the nine yrds,my lips will never touch a strangers lying on the street..never.

My lips will never touch my cheating husband's ever again. Lol. Sorry, had to say it.
 
Post like this out of the blue seems to be out of an article, script or.... Chalk it up as another one of them baffling post, perhaps a gremlin in Whisper 2 or XenForo coding ;)

About 2 weeks ago, we had the new poster that would just post links to 10 or so stories per day. Most were not prepper related. Then he just disappeared. I'm not being mean, just posting an observation
 
About 2 weeks ago, we had the new poster that would just post links to 10 or so stories per day. Most were not prepper related. Then he just disappeared. I'm not being mean, just posting an observation
The one you are talking about here actually belongs to a homesteading forum I belong to also. He said in that forum that he would be absent for awhile kicking back and doing some fishing. I'm sure he will be back though.
 
and therefore,I have had long thoughts when I've had problems to fall a sleep,what would I do if some serious pandemic came??
would I risk my life at the hospital,by takeing care of others and prolly risking the life of those I care most,my family..carrying some
nasty shyt back home..
would I simply refuse to go to work..still trying to find out the answer
One aspect to consider is whether you are an employee of the hospital or not. I do not currently work at a hospital and do not feel obligated to go there in a pandemic. The administration pushes for commitment to come in and work during an emergency but I am not sure how they could enforce it if it actually happened. You may not have a job when things settle down, then again you may not want to go back and face the wrath of the people who did stay. I remember during a flood the hospital pharmacist was brought in by helicopter and during a blizzard the highway crew brought in nurses by snow plow. In a pandemic, not sure.
 

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