Doomsday Prep For Non-Paranoid People

[tmttactical]

I like being a paranoid prepper, it motivates me.

 

[LiveTrap]

23% of deaths this year in the U.S. will be due to heart attacks and strokes. I'm a lot more paranoid about that than I am any of the prepper scenarios. The nearest emergency room is four minutes away, and a world class hospital is about nine minutes away. Great healthcare is more likely to save my life and my wife's life than a stockpile of food. But yes, a person can have it both ways with some careful planning. Rice and beans, are cheap.

 

[jontte]

yup and let's hope we don't need those preps fro shtf !
very likely we do,but hope not..

 

[tmttactical]

Prepping is like living close to those hospitals. You hope you never need them but good to know they are there. Prepping supplies fall into that same category. Nice to have them but hope you never need them.

 

[bigpaul]

23% of deaths this year in the U.S. will be due to heart attacks and strokes. I'm a lot more paranoid about that than I am any of the prepper scenarios. The nearest emergency room is four minutes away, and a world class hospital is about nine minutes away. Great healthcare is more likely to save my life and my wife's life than a stockpile of food. But yes, a person can have it both ways with some careful planning. Rice and beans, are cheap.

nearest emergency room to me is 25-30 miles away, about 1 hours travel in a car on our roads, in an emergency they call out the air ambulance(helicopter).

 

[Brent S]

nearest emergency room to me is 25-30 miles away, about 1 hours travel in a car on our roads, in an emergency they call out the air ambulance(helicopter).

Here you need to prep to pay for that air ambulance as it can be 50,000 dollars.....

 

[bigpaul]

ours is a charity, it runs on donations and any funding it can get.
all UK health needs are free at the point of need. paid for by general taxation.

 

[BillMasen]

I'm not paranoid, I KNOW they are out to get me !

 

[jontte]

we used to have a very big right to express us here in my neck of woods,but now our ombudsman stated,that it would be prudent to start deleting old FB post if they contain something that could be rasist,offensive to some minority,offensive to someone,so that one might not be prosecuted in the future if it's labeld illegal ---> re-writing history to suit those in powers at present... 1984 here we come

 

[tmttactical]

ours is a charity, it runs on donations and any funding it can get.
all UK health needs are free at the point of need. paid for by general taxation.

Not free, paid by tax payers. Just not billable. Here, if you are out in the boondocks, then you should carry "Life Flight" insurance. Cheap and readily available. The only thing "Free"in life is the air we breath and that is only because the government has not figured out a way to tax it.

 

[bigpaul]

it means we don't have to pay to visit the ER or our family doctor. we don't get a bill if we have to stay in hospital. even prescriptions are free for some groups like children and over 60s.

 

[GaRp58]

whats paranoid about being prepared??

PARANOID: the word found in the non-preppers vocabulary used to describe the sense he himself has and feels when any other living being describes his preparations for a possible event which would end up in a situation in which said non-prepper would be left to fend for himself in the aftermath of his own stupidity...GP

 

[GaRp58]

I used to think that is was not really nice to tell black, mexican, jewish or such jokes. Then I joined the US Army. Got to live, work, shit, shower and shave with the blacks, mexicans, jews and others. THEY told me more white jokes that I could ever remember. If anybody thinks there are only minority or non-white jokes out there, then when God was passing out brains, they thought he said RAIN and ran to hide...my best friend was so black, he could polish his boots with his finger.
Leroy Sansom from Houston, TX, nickname SASOON. Don't point no finger at me, I be a Ami in Germany. I be a out-lander here and my own minority. GP

 

[tmttactical]

it means we don't have to pay to visit the ER or our family doctor. we don't get a bill if we have to stay in hospital. even prescriptions are free for some groups like children and over 60s.

Maybe the person receiving the medical services did not reach into their pocket to pay for the service but millions of tax payers prepaid for those services, so they are not free. Just like our welfare is not free, the American tax payer is paying. There is no "Free Lunch", somebody is paying or has prepaid for that Free Lunch" service. Every Medical system across the world is paid by somebody there are NO FREE MEDICAL systems.

 

[Kevin L]

Maybe the person receiving the medical services did not reach into their pocket to pay for the service but millions of tax payers prepaid for those services, so they are not free. Just like our welfare is not free, the American tax payer is paying. There is no "Free Lunch", somebody is paying or has prepaid for that Free Lunch" service. Every Medical system across the world is paid by somebody there are NO FREE MEDICAL systems.

I agree with you in principle, but I've always had a nagging question (and I'm most assuredly not a socialist).

If everyone had access to healthcare (and I'm talking about theory, which is light years away from how things work in the real world), does that mean that it save money for everyone over time because--with proper health maintenence--there would be less people relying on the emergency room, and things would be caught earlier when medical conditions are easier (and cheaper) to treat?

So....a net savings of money for everyone?

In practice, I accept that there will be human ineptness, crookedness, and government incompetence attached to socialized medicine (I've heard from many sources that one dollar out of every four dollars spent by the government is waste), so I imagine that it would never work really well.....or, at least, not any better than what we already have.

Still.....if it was done right, would it be cheaper than what we have now?

 

[GaRp58]

I've heard from many sources that one dollar out of every four dollars spent by the government is waste

The quote is right. The idea is right. The hope it will work is right. The people supporting the idea are right. Many ideas are "right". Just getting the correct balance of where the money comes from, who decides where it goes and who actually gets to use the services is the hard part. Lots of people have enough money to take care of themselves and their medicals, but if they could use their money for a new boat, a big vacation or such and get free meds, then the system would just be overloaded, misused and bankrupted by those who do not even need it. And those who really need it, will not get helped. Why does a millionare need a $800 check from Social Security?? AND why are there still 85,000 homeless veterans in America?? Because the money is not being spread right!
The best laid plans of God and man often go astray...GP

 

[bigpaul]

I was a Boy Scout when I was younger and their motto is "be prepared", I think being a prepper is just an extension of this philosophy.

 

[BillMasen]

I agree with you in principle, but I've always had a nagging question (and I'm most assuredly not a socialist).

If everyone had access to healthcare (and I'm talking about theory, which is light years away from how things work in the real world), does that mean that it save money for everyone over time because--with proper health maintenence--there would be less people relying on the emergency room, and things would be caught earlier when medical conditions are easier (and cheaper) to treat?

So....a net savings of money for everyone?

In practice, I accept that there will be human ineptness, crookedness, and government incompetence attached to socialized medicine (I've heard from many sources that one dollar out of every four dollars spent by the government is waste), so I imagine that it would never work really well.....or, at least, not any better than what we already have.

Still.....if it was done right, would it be cheaper than what we have now?

Remember folks for the government to give you free anything they must have first taken it away from you.

 

[bigpaul]

if we didn't have general taxation in the UK we would have to pay for everything out of our own pocket, I suppose that is a fairer system as we would only pay for what we used but who would pay for all the big projects that a large society needs?

 

[DrHenley]

If everyone had access to healthcare (and I'm talking about theory, which is light years away from how things work in the real world), does that mean that it save money for everyone over time because--with proper health maintenence--there would be less people relying on the emergency room, and things would be caught earlier when medical conditions are easier (and cheaper) to treat?

Think about this in a different light Kevin. If everyone gets better healthcare, then they will live longer on average, right? And the longer they live, the longer they collect benefits past retirement, when they are not longer productive.

Don't forget the law of unintended consequences!