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[Billy Roper]

Actually, if you read my article, China losing the U.S. as a consumer market for their cheap goods, and the damage that would do to their economy, and the knowledge that they would never, ever, be able to collect on the Treasury notes they hold, both because the scenario I write about is based on the aftermath of America balkanizing, then both are very good reasons for the Chinese to expand past the Golden Gate. As far as Japan, without a U.S. presence in the Pacific, they'd be a Chinese vassal state, just like the Koreas would. Both of them.

As far as W.W.II, if Roosevelt's sole interest had been to save Britain, he would have counseled Churchill to make a separate peace with Germany. Great Britain likely could have even kept much, or even all, of their overseas Empire. Hitler was willing to negotiate, so he wouldn't have had to fight a war on two fronts.

I see you're one of those optimistic people who think that electoral politics still matter, and work for the interests of those voting. Since that's the case, perhaps you should read my analysis of how Hillary's election will forever change the electoral college, putting the Presidency out of reach of any non-liberal, regardless of party:

http://writerbeat.com/articles/11899-La-Reconquista

 

[Maverick]

"counseled Churchill to make a separate peace with Germany" Billy, that's a laughable statement! The world seen hitler's peace and resolve, just ask his neighbors including the russians, what point of mad man do you not understand? My only regret is with Roosevelt as we didn't get in their soon enough like before the blitzkrieg against Britian!! The one thing that's asured today is that the third reich is DEAD, some in this world just need to get over that fact!

Churchill was and remains the best friend the US has ever had, one doesn't stab Churchill in the back by counseling him to negotiate with a mad man, there is NO peace with the nazis.

 

[Billy Roper]

Ah, so, then, it wasn't really so much about helping Britain, as it was about choosing between Communism and National Socialism? Well, Churchill, and the U.S., certainly made that choice, contrary to many voices in the U.S. such as Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford and Joseph Kennedy. Germany did offer to withdraw all of their forces from Western Europe except for Alsace and Lorraine and Louxemburg, and allow Great Britain to keep their empire. My personal view is that if the American men who died on D-Day could see what our society would become in a generation, they'd have turned around and charged the other direction. But the W.W. II analogy is, of course, minor to the main issue of my article. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the "La Reconquista" article I posted the link to yesterday, as well as the paragraphs before and after the one which you responded to, with their separate issues. You might find what I have to say about Washington State painful, though, since according to your profile you live there. Maybe that's it, I imply that most citizens of Washington State are liberal, gun hating, pot smoking lefties, and that the region is likely to be Chinese occupied territory when America balkanizes. Now I understand, you were personally offended and responding on an emotional level. I should have realized that, I apologize. I didn't mean to insult you, your patriotism, or your state and the other good people in it. I can understand equally how somebody who lives in El Paso, for example, might be offended by my implication that their home town might become part of Mexico again, but that isn't my intention, either. Sorry.

 

[Maverick]

"Germany did offer to withdraw all of their forces from Western Europe" Trust the nazis? hmm let talk to the 6m Jews mainly old men, women and children that was systematically gassed for no fxxxxx reason other than being a Jew then discarded like trash. Any one that knows history knows where "Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford and Joseph Kennedy" stand so the argument peace should have been negotiated doesn't hold water!

 

[Silent Earth]

We could not agree to ANY of the concessions offered by Germany, We Brits stand by our allies and we told both France and Poland that if Germany attacked them we would attack Germany END OF. Just as in the Pacific on Dec 7th 1941 within hours of the attack on the US fleet at Pearl Harbour ( which we actually warned you about but you ignored) The Entire British fleet in the Pacific was ordered to protect the US carriers and any other US assets we came across. The huge bloody great British Cruiser Squadrons were alongside the US carriers in days. You mention Joe Kennedy Mav, He hated us Brits more than Adolf did.

 

[Silent Earth]

"Germany did offer to withdraw all of their forces from Western Europe" Trust the nazis? hmm let talk to the 6m Jews mainly old men, women and children that was systematically gassed for no fxxxxx reason other than being a Jew then discarded like trash. Any one that knows history knows where "Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford and Joseph Kennedy" stand so the argument peace should have been negotiated doesn't hold water!

Dont forget that for the 6.5 million people the little Austrian Corporal butchered, Uncle Josef killed 22 million.

 

[Silent Earth]

Oops and in fairness within days of the Japs attacking you also had Kiwi, Aussie, Indian, Rhodesian, and South African vessels as well as we Brits screening your carriers and other navy assets.

 

[Silent Earth]

Ah, so, then, it wasn't really so much about helping Britain, as it was about choosing between Communism and National Socialism? .

Helping Britain???? from Sept 39 until Dec 41 The US was still happily trading with Germany. It was COMMERCE as normal for the US for the first two years of WW2 except for the thousands of brave honourable Americans who lied, cheated, decieved and conned everyone in order to get to the UK to join the forces to fight the Nazis.

Trust the US government NEVER, Trust ordinary Americans GLADLY with my life.

 

[Maverick]

When Brokaw coined the phrase "The Greatest Generation" I believe he nailed it!

Edited; oops added 'it'

 

[Silent Earth]

I love US GOVERNMENT doctrine its so distinct from the wonderful American people. EG
US Versus Spain. US sneaks up on Spanish Fleet in the Fillipines attacks it, wipes it out without declaration of war. Call its "prudent strategy".

Russia Versus Japan. Japan sneaks up on Russian fleet in Port Arthur attacks it without declaring war. US called it a " Neat Trick"

Japan Versus US Japan sneaks up on US and attacks it without declaring war and the " Neat Trick" suddenly becomes " An Act of infamy".

 

[Silent Earth]

When Brokaw coined the phrase "The Greatest Generation" I believe he nailed!

AMEN TO THAT. honour, decency, courage, fortitude, loyalty, heroism aplenty

 

[Billy Roper]

Okay, well, instead of debating the last war (even though there have been a few since, with all due respect to Korean and Vietnam vets), I look forward to your views on the article "La Reconquista" which I posted a link to, about what could be the next one.

 

[Maverick]

The battle of the religions will never end though this time it's not just territorial but world domination "what could be the next one" we have been in the next one for centuries if not millenniums, the first one never really ended, it's just the world expansion of people that brought it to our door steps today! The difference today Vs yesteryear is the we as a people are far more polarized in our beliefs and ideology that brings confusion to the order. Fighting on the grounds of principle very very rarely exist today so in essence Reconquista never really ended

 

[Billy Roper]

I definitely agree with you that we are more divided and polarized than ever before. That's why I, and many others, see balkanization happening. However, I don't think it'll be about religion, per se.

http://divine-truth.org/2016/09/10/la-reconquista/

 

[Maverick]

No, it's not so much about religion today as it is more about hatred, as long as we have groups of people that claim superiority over other groups the hatred will continue and never cease, once the apple was bitten man was condemned to the hell we live in today in other words 'it is what it is'

 

[Billy Roper]

Yep. Human nature requires that the balkanization is inevitable. I agree.

 

[Maverick]

The difference though I don't claim to be superior over anyone nor would I buy into the separation of the races. I don't support the balkanization nor would I ever become part of it!! I follow my own lead, my destiny is of my own making and refuse to have it dictated. Human nature doesn't require it unless the weak minded are of the collective!!

 

[Silent Earth]

This side of the pond two types of Christianity and two types of Islam have been trying to exterminate each other and take each others since since just before the First Crusade , and that war NEVER ends it just lulls for a while, But go to parts of Europe and the religious war is still going on with the recent arrival of 1 million Muslim migrants running riot courtesy of Merkel and Germany ( AGAIN)

 

[Billy Roper]

Of course, every free individual has the right, if they disagree with the stated intent of the Founding Fathers of the U.S., for example, when they wrote the Naturalization Act of 1790, to not be involved in any future balkanization of America. A Chinese person can continue to live in downtown Atlanta as the only non African-American for ten blocks around. A White person can choose to stay in Los Angeles, even if southern California were to officially secede at some point and become a part of Mexico again, or an independent Mexican nation, as many wish to. A Jewish person can choose to stay in a neighborhood when ten thousand Muslims move in. I'm not sure how that would turn out for them, but I wish them all of the luck in the world, if that's what they choose for themselves.

 

[Billy Roper]

SilentEarth, I agree with you about Merkel, that's a great point.