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Thanks for explaining your thinking. Don’t be naive. China didn’t underestimate the virus. They out and out lied many times...as did WHO.

It’s funny you blame the President for not doing enough soon enough when piglosi started the impeachment on the VERY DAY that the virus came to our shores...without China warning anyone that there was a virus killing people. There was not even ONE charge that was proven. NONE. Charges distracted the President and everyone else at a most critical time for our country. Even now with our President and so many other Americans working their asses off, piglosi isn’t working toward helping with this pandemic...she’s playing politics! Again, to the detriment of AMERICANS.

When the President acted the last of January to stop people who possibly had the virus from coming here, every Dem called him a racist and demanded he open the borders back up! Now dementia joe agrees, but back then called him names like the rest.

How can you say Hydroxychloroquine isn’t saving lives? It has already done it many, many times. Not only in our country, but other countries as well. The President isn’t lying. The media changes and edits. The news you watch is lying. President Trump did follow China and WHO advice for too long in the beginning when he said it would not be more serious than the current flu (which is estimated to hit as high as 63,000) and that it did not spread easily. That was the information dear China and their buddies WHO were giving out!

This country is a Republic. The President is not a ruler and certainly not in charge of everything. Governors of each state are...and mayors work with their Governor.

BTW, the mask shortage happened because the lowlife in office at the time didn’t replenish them when he used them in 2009-2010. And NY had a chance and the money to buy the ADVISED 16,000 Ventilators some years ago. They didn’t bother doing it. Wasted the funds on something else. Now it’s the President’s fault? Pfft.

Why would we work together with a government who has already cost us trillions and thousands of lives with their lies and omissions? Tell me you would work with someone a second time after they caused your business much harm. You wouldn’t.

You nailed it. I think its beyond naive.
 
Brent is right on one thing mates, its an almost uniquely American thing to constantly look fot another country to hate in an almost maniacle way. You chaps always need a boogie man to target your ire on. I could easily point out the skeletons in British and American cupboards ( Empire, Concentration camps, Imperialism, Gitmo, Agent Orange, Slavery, Nam, Hiroshimas etc etc ad infinitum) but at the end of the day its not going to help us get through this pandemic. Non of us are perfect , not even close. Yup China screwed the pooch but hate mongering isnt going to help.

Georgia said
"Thanks for explaining your thinking. Don’t be naive. China didn’t underestimate the virus. They out and out lied many times...as did WHO."

Course they did Georgia as ALL countries do Including the US and UK on many issues, Agent Organge, 3 mile island, Windscale leaks, Colonel Oliver North, UK foot & Mouth scandal, UK Salmonella scandal, US and UK lied over Thalidomide , Gitmo etc If we expect MORALITY from any government its we who are being naeve.
 
Brent is right on one thing mates, its an almost uniquely American thing to constantly look fot another country to hate in an almost maniacle way. You chaps always need a boogie man to target your ire on. I could easily point out the skeletons in British and American cupboards ( Empire, Concentration camps, Imperialism, Gitmo, Agent Orange, Slavery, Nam, Hiroshimas etc etc ad infinitum) but at the end of the day its not going to help us get through this pandemic. Non of us are perfect , not even close. Yup China screwed the pooch but hate mongering isnt going to help.

Georgia said
"Thanks for explaining your thinking. Don’t be naive. China didn’t underestimate the virus. They out and out lied many times...as did WHO."

Course they did Georgia as ALL countries do Including the US and UK on many issues, Agent Organge, 3 mile island, Windscale leaks, Colonel Oliver North, UK foot & Mouth scandal, UK Salmonella scandal, US and UK lied over Thalidomide , Gitmo etc If we expect MORALITY from any government its we who are being naeve.


Can you site for me Bill a nation that spread a killer virus worldwide and lied about it at every turn? It certainly has not been in my lifetime. Do you actually not blame China for the incomprehensible actions they have taken against the world?

Beyond the deaths, many nations are going to struggle and most likely crash. Many innocent people are going to starve. This is the BIGGEST tragedy the world has faced since WWII. How can you take it so lightly and act as if China did nothing to cause it??
 
Can you site for me Bill a nation that spread a killer virus worldwide and lied about it at every turn? It certainly has not been in my lifetime. Do you actually not blame China for the incomprehensible actions they have taken against the world?

Beyond the deaths, many nations are going to struggle and most likely crash. Many innocent people are going to starve. This is the BIGGEST tragedy the world has faced since WWII. How can you take it so lightly and act as if China did nothing to cause it??

There is ZERO evidence to say it was a deliberate act Georgia, if and when we get it then we can deal with it, Why WOULD China do this deliberately knowing full well it would be tracked back to them. No one is taking this lightly but many are reacting hysterically. I do remember both America / UK and Russia creating HUGE stocks of germ warfare. I remember rerading of the US Tuskagee experiments https://www.history.com/news/the-infamous-40-year-tuskegee-study . I do remember the US spraying San Francisco with a supposedly inert bacteria that did kuill people. Can you provide me with SOLID evidence ? not yet but in time the truth will come out. Preppers need to focus on solid facts in order to best prepare, mass hysteria like McCarthyism has no place in prepping.

I think the outbreak was either NATURAL or ACCIDENTAL release by the Chinese, its the COVER UP and LIEs that followed that are unforgivable. HOWEVER if it was a DELIBERATE attack I would have expected the Chinese to have launched in in the US or EU or Russia or Japan by releasing the pathogen there and easily avoiding the blame.
 
There is ZERO evidence to say it was a deliberate act Georgia, if and when we get it then we can deal with it, Why WOULD China do this deliberately knowing full well it would be tracked back to them. No one is taking this lightly but many are reacting hysterically. I do remember both America / UK and Russia creating HUGE stocks of germ warfare. I remember rerading of the US Tuskagee experiments https://www.history.com/news/the-infamous-40-year-tuskegee-study . I do remember the US spraying San Francisco with a supposedly inert bacteria that did kuill people. Can you provide me with SOLID evidence ? not yet but in time the truth will come out. Preppers need to focus on solid facts in order to best prepare, mass hysteria like McCarthyism has no place in prepping.

I think the outbreak was either NATURAL or ACCIDENTAL release by the Chinese, its the COVER UP and LIEs that followed that are unforgivable. HOWEVER if it was a DELIBERATE attack I would have expected the Chinese to have launched in in the US or EU or Russia or Japan by releasing the pathogen there and easily avoiding the blame.

I have not YET accused them of doing it deliberately. You just sited what I was trying to say. They covered it up with lie after lie, killing thousands of unsuspecting innocent people. They KNEW it was spreading, but said nothing. The affects on many nation’s economies is going to be HUGE! These are FACTS.
 
I wish to add that if this was a Deliberate release of Corona virus across the world and the US / UK /NATO had evidence to support it , then China would have carried out an act of WAR. Do you think Boris or Donald would sit back and do nothing if China launched Bio Warfare ? Do you think We in the west would still be buying BILLIONS of pounds of Chinese made goods if they were attacking us? No of course not if China had attacked us we would retaliate by destroying the Chinese economy by stopping all trade, it would have more effect than using military might.

I have not YET accused them of doing it deliberately. You just sited what I was trying to say. They covered it up with lie after lie, killing thousands of unsuspecting innocent people. They KNEW it was spreading, but said nothing. The affects on many nation’s economies is going to be HUGE! These are FACTS.


Yes China obscenely underplayed the risks and spreads of Corona, it exactly what ALL governments do. Primados, Thalidomide, HIV transmission , the US selling tainted blood for transfusions to the UK, The UK covering up and lying about the risks of salmonella, its what they ALL do. BUT none of this affects PREPPING thats what we must focus on if we are to survive. Wanna fight back in a positive manner, then do what Artic Dude says and make sure you do not buy anything Made in China or its satelite states. Let the non prepping herds of sheeple do the mass hysteria we have better things to do.
 
I wish to add that if this was a Deliberate release of Corona virus across the world and the US / UK /NATO had evidence to support it , then China would have carried out an act of WAR. Do you think Boris or Donald would sit back and do nothing if China launched Bio Warfare ? Do you think We in the west would still be buying BILLIONS of pounds of Chinese made goods if they were attacking us? No of course not if China had attacked us we would retaliate by destroying the Chinese economy by stopping all trade, it would have more effect than using military might.




Yes China obscenely underplayed the risks and spreads of Corona, it exactly what ALL governments do. Primados, Thalidomide, HIV transmission , the US selling tainted blood for transfusions to the UK, The UK covering up and lying about the risks of salmonella, its what they ALL do. BUT none of this affects PREPPING thats what we must focus on if we are to survive. Wanna fight back in a positive manner, then do what Artic Dude says and make sure you do not buy anything Made in China or its satelite states. Let the non prepping herds of sheeple do the mass hysteria we have better things to do.

We don’t agree on this one Bill. I see it as far different than anything you’ve named. We didn’t spread HIV. Never heard about the tainted blood. What organization was that? Salmonella is everywhere. It’s never crashed the world.

Primodos was a bad drug that got through the cracks. Nothing more. Ditto for thalidomide. These were 1950s drugs that caused governments to put a tighter rein on pharmaceutical companies.
 
We don’t agree on this one Bill. I see it as far different than anything you’ve named. We didn’t spread HIV. Never heard about the tainted blood. What organization was that? Salmonella is everywhere. It’s never crashed the world.

Primodos was a bad drug that got through the cracks. Nothing more. Ditto for thalidomide. These were 1950s drugs that caused governments to put a tighter rein on pharmaceutical companies.

Ah your missing my point Georgia I apologise for not being clear, HIV the US and UK governments tried to cover up its spread from the gay community to the other sections of society when gays donated blood ( for money in the US I believe, UK does not pay donators) passing HIV to the mainstream community in the US. Next was the UK was buying blood products from the US contaminated with HIV and Hep B BOTH countries tried to cover up the scandal. Primados was being used the Germany to abort babies but in the UK they covered it up. Thalidomide both in the US and UK caused thousands of severe birth deformities ( including in my brother) and BOTH government tried for years to cover it up and that went as far as the 1970s.

Its the COVER UPS I'm refering to Georgia sorry for misleading you, just like how they tried to cover up Three Mile Island, The Windscale leak ( Radiation leaking into the Irish sea causing cancer in Ireland) , the US losing Atom bombs off the coast of Spain , the cover up of the after effects of Agent Orange on Vietname civilians for decades. Lies, Half truths, Scandals, failures and COVER UPS.
 
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And I can tell you what will happen sooner or later the US/ UK and the west will rant and rave, probably apply sanctions, make loads of noise then quietly go back to normal of buying billions of buck of Chinese made products, Then in time the US will start seeing someone else as the bad guy. After all in my lifetime we have seen Mexico, Columbia, Venezuela, Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Serbia, Russia, Vietnam and Korea all being blamed for just about everything. Now we buy diesel and natural gas from Russia, Grain from the Ukraine, Shoes from Vietnam, EVERYTHING from china, Winter fruit and veg from Mexico and Columbia, Cars and Trucks from Mexico, Coffee, Cotton, Chemicals etc etc. China has really screwed up but nothing much will change. Sad but true.
 
I just think the US always needs an enemy and am tired of it. Every government has done bad things. Face it people are rotten to each other. I don’t think Russia or China are perfect, just tired of always thinking we are morally superior.
You really don't think that our form of Constitutional Republic isn't far more "morally superior" than a communist dictatoship like China?? Yes, China is our enemy, which we support every time we buy their crap.
 
Brent is right on one thing mates, its an almost uniquely American thing to constantly look fot another country to hate in an almost maniacle way. You chaps always need a boogie man to target your ire on. I could easily point out the skeletons in British and American cupboards ( Empire, Concentration camps, Imperialism, Gitmo, Agent Orange, Slavery, Nam, Hiroshimas etc etc ad infinitum) but at the end of the day its not going to help us get through this pandemic. Non of us are perfect , not even close. Yup China screwed the pooch but hate mongering isnt going to help.

Georgia said
"Thanks for explaining your thinking. Don’t be naive. China didn’t underestimate the virus. They out and out lied many times...as did WHO."

Course they did Georgia as ALL countries do Including the US and UK on many issues, Agent Organge, 3 mile island, Windscale leaks, Colonel Oliver North, UK foot & Mouth scandal, UK Salmonella scandal, US and UK lied over Thalidomide , Gitmo etc If we expect MORALITY from any government its we who are being naeve.
How else do you expect to justifiy our huge over bloated military industry? Keep the natives scared.
 
Never thought I'd see you carrying water for the Communists, Bill.

How am I doing that, I could not be any bloody clearer, If they did it deliberately we should take massive action, but if it was caused by accident or stupidity thats a different matter. They must be held to account for the COVER UP either way, and as I said to Georgia the best we WE can do that is to not buy Chinese products ( as Artic said) But eitherway you know all our damn governments will eventually go back to trading with China.
 
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You really don't think that our form of Constitutional Republic isn't far more "morally superior" than a communist dictatoship like China?? Yes, China is our enemy, which we support every time we buy their crap.

I think ALL of our governments are utterly and totally morally bankrupt, In China there elections are to replace one establishment communist figurehead with another. in the US / UK we have elections to replace one establishment capitalist figurehead with another. Both serve the predominant ruling elites not the masses.

I'm not looking to offend my American friends but Donald is the only DECENT leader you guys have had since Reagan, You countries political elite matches mine from making corrupt, moronic, criminals, fraudsters, liars and conmen into Presidents and Prime Ministers.
 
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How am I doing that, I could not be any bloody clearer, If they did it deliberately we should take massive action, but if it was caused by accident or stupidity thats a different matter. They must be held to account for the COVER UP either way, and as I said to Georgia the best we WE can do that is to not buy Chinese products ( as Artic said) But eitherway you know all our damn governments will eventually go back to trading with China.

Accident or deliberate means nothing. China has caused tremendous loss of life and trillions in financial loss. If you are driving your auto and have an accident, you are still liable for the damages. If you try a hit and run move, then you have another legal and moral problem. The driver of this disaster is China and they should pay up. No trade, no forgetting, seize all their assets. and give it to the nations that are losing their economy. Give it to the families of the people that have died or have suffered permanent health damage. China did know it was bad and did not tell anybody. They were building emergency hospitals, long before anybody on the outside knew just how bad the virus is. I will not buy another thing made in China and nobody with an ounce of integrity should either. maybe our respective government won't stand up but --- WE THE PEOPLE --- can simply stop buying anything made in China.
 

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