BAT vaccine hope

[KateMTx]

I agree with you, but maybe I'm narrow-minded on the subject. I've been conditioned by my work in healthcare to think of tobacco as being a deadly, addictive poison that has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

But--then again--maybe that's just my own closed-mindedness.

It could be like the coca plant (where cocaine is refined from, not the cacao plant that chocolate comes from). The cigarette making process could be what makes the most harmful aspects of the plant "accessible" to the user.

 

[Kevin L]

It could be like the coca plant (where cocaine is refined from, not the cacao plant that chocolate comes from). The cigarette making process could be what makes the most harmful aspects of the plant "accessible" to the user.

I'm sure. Part of my narrow-mindedness about tobacco comes from my own experience, as I am an ex-smoker.

Quitting smoking was--literally--one of the hardest, most difficult things that I have ever done in my life. It's difficult for a non-addict to understand the craving, but I would compare this craving to the hunger that I experienced when I once fasted for five days.

 

[DrHenley]

I wonder if pipe-smokers tend to be a certain "type" of person and there are other factors coming into play here?

Very possibly.

But one thing I've seen mentioned is that pipe smokers are often meticulous about how, when, and where they smoke. And they choose to take the pipe at a time when they can relax. They are not sneaking off into some corner in the middle of the day to have a quick smoke. Most do not inhale. But even those that do inhale have about the same life expectancy as non smokers.

BTW, I am allergic to cigarette smoke, but not to pipe smoke.

 

[DirtDiva]

That's what I've been trying to find out.

When you wash your dog with flea and tick shampoo, you get it all over you (especially if your dog doesn't like being bathed). I've noticed that the active ingredients in dog flea and tick shampoo are different from the toxins in lice shampoo like Rid.

I've been trying (on and off) to get a difinitive answer as to whether dog flea and tick shampoo could be used in an emergency for lice in people, because--if the chemicals in this pet shampoo are different that what's found in something like Rid--then the shampoo would probably work for those lice that have evolved to become resistant to pyrethrins (the active ingredient in Rid).

I've been trying to get an answer to this puzzle from a source that I trust before running my mouth on a forum, someone tries it and then something awful happens like a reaction, something gets absorbed through the skin and somebody ends up in the hospital, and so on.

This is a big deal to me because lice spread disease, and always plague people who are refugees during SHTF conditions. Lice killed more people in WWI and WWII than bullets, mortars, flame throwers, and hand grenades combined. The diseases spread by lice can often be treated with good nursing care, fluids, and antibiotics . . . but the treatment is complicated, costly, time consuming, and uses up huge amoumts of resources. The survivors of such diseases are often debilitated for quite a while, so they are dependant upon constant care and are unable to be productive . . . often for months.

In addition, lice are also strongly suspected (but not absolutely proven, mind you) of being able to carry bubonic plague in the way that fleas do (although some things are slightly different about how the diseases are transmitted by fleas vs. lice, but these details are not relevant to my points). Bubonic plague--even though it can be treated with antibiotics--is an aggressive, nasty, extremely contagious disease, and is something that should really, really, really be avoided at all costs in a survival situation.

In my mind, the more options we have for dealing with this situation, the better.

This is why I'm intensely interested in dog flea and tick shampoo.

Kevin from what I can see the active ingredient in most flea shampoos is either permethrin or pyrethrin, or pyrethrum. All of these are from the extract of the Chrysanthemum flower.

per Wikipedia
Exposure to pyrethrum, the crude form of pyrethrin, causes harmful health effects for mammals. ... Exposure to pyrethrum in high levels in humans may cause symptoms such as asthmatic breathing, sneezing, nasal stuffiness, headache, nausea, loss of coordination, tremors, convulsions, facial flushing, and swelling.

For me personally I keep Diatomaceous Earth. I grow Catnip, Chamomile, Citronella and Chrysanthemums, Mint and Marigolds around my property and rarely have flea problems. Also make great tea. I throw these flowers and herbs in my chicken house to deter chicken mites also.

https://www.vulcantermite.com/home-pest-control/plants-that-repel-fleas-where-to-put-them/


For head lice/body lice here are some ideas using things that should be in your preps anyway. Olive oil,coconut oil, apple cider vinegar, aloe gel etc. You could store a few essential oils and rub on your body or put in a bath. Even add herbs to your laundry that would discourage body lice.

https://theherbalacademy.com/lice-home-remedies-using-herbs/

Essential oils that have shown a high percentage of effectiveness are anise seed, cinnamon leaf, tea tree, oregano, red thyme, sweet orange, clove, eucalyptus, geranium, lemongrass, peppermint, and nutmeg. Essential oils are extremely potent combinations of chemical constituents and great care should be taken when using them. Not all essential oils are safe for all ages, so if treating for lice on children, it is important to make sure you are taking extra precautions for safe use (for more on essential oil safety for kids, please see our recent post here). Do not use essential oils on anyone without diluting them in oil first and always buy from a quality source.



I would shy away personally from using flea shampoos on my body regularly for fear that the active ingredients would be absorbed through the skin when used regularly causing skin irritation and possible health problems.

 

[DrHenley]

One thing to be careful about with essential oils...

Even though they may not be irritating at first, many essential oils can cause skin sensitivity and allergic reactions with over use. Some are photosensitive and you should not be exposed to sunlight after use. I was using tea tree oil and I suddenly became allergic to it, and now just the smell of it makes my throat swell up. Skin sensitivity can come on suddenly too.

 

[Kevin L]

Kevin from what I can see the active ingredient in most flea shampoos is either permethrin or pyrethrin, or pyrethrum. All of these are from the extract of the Chrysanthemum flower.

per Wikipedia
Exposure to pyrethrum, the crude form of pyrethrin, causes harmful health effects for mammals. ... Exposure to pyrethrum in high levels in humans may cause symptoms such as asthmatic breathing, sneezing, nasal stuffiness, headache, nausea, loss of coordination, tremors, convulsions, facial flushing, and swelling.

For me personally I keep Diatomaceous Earth. I grow Catnip, Chamomile, Citronella and Chrysanthemums, Mint and Marigolds around my property and rarely have flea problems. Also make great tea. I throw these flowers and herbs in my chicken house to deter chicken mites also.

https://www.vulcantermite.com/home-pest-control/plants-that-repel-fleas-where-to-put-them/


For head lice/body lice here are some ideas using things that should be in your preps anyway. Olive oil,coconut oil, apple cider vinegar, aloe gel etc. You could store a few essential oils and rub on your body or put in a bath. Even add herbs to your laundry that would discourage body lice.

https://theherbalacademy.com/lice-home-remedies-using-herbs/

Essential oils that have shown a high percentage of effectiveness are anise seed, cinnamon leaf, tea tree, oregano, red thyme, sweet orange, clove, eucalyptus, geranium, lemongrass, peppermint, and nutmeg. Essential oils are extremely potent combinations of chemical constituents and great care should be taken when using them. Not all essential oils are safe for all ages, so if treating for lice on children, it is important to make sure you are taking extra precautions for safe use (for more on essential oil safety for kids, please see our recent post here). Do not use essential oils on anyone without diluting them in oil first and always buy from a quality source.



I would shy away personally from using flea shampoos on my body regularly for fear that the active ingredients would be absorbed through the skin when used regularly causing skin irritation and possible health problems.

Thank you.