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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...rough/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

Cigarette maker BAT claims coronavirus vaccine breakthrough

Testing a vaccine on tobacco plants paves the way towards millions of doses being produced a week

By Oliver Gill 1 April 2020 • 4:26pm
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The world’s second-biggest cigarette maker claims to have made a “significant breakthrough” in the race to find a vaccine for the coronavirus and would be ready to start mass production within three months.

British American Tobacco (BAT), the FTSE 100 company behind Lucky Strike and Dunhill, said it could be producing up to 3m million doses of a vaccine a week by June - far faster than rivals, which are expecting to take at least a year.

BAT intends to start trialling its vaccine in humans as soon as possible. It is running pre-clinical tests and holding urgent talks with US drug authorities to fast-track permissions.
 
Wow that's not the company I expected to develop the vaccine. I'm glad for it though. Hopefully it will be available soon.


Actually, I just heard tobacco companies are used to grow vaccines by creating antibodies on tobacco plants, tobacco companies already have labs for this so they are already setup for this kind of work, I guess they been doing this for years.
 
Actually, I just heard tobacco companies are used to grow vaccines by creating antibodies on tobacco plants, tobacco companies already have labs for this so they are already setup for this kind of work, I guess they been doing this for years.
I guess they have to do something for the good of the public considering they literally cause people to die.
 
Last I heard, Dunhill was still going strong among pipe smokers. But that was a number of years ago when I was a pipe smoker. (BTW pipe smokers have a longer than average life expectancy)
I'm surprised at this claim, as I've always assumed that oral cancer--common among people who smoke cigars and who chew tobacco--would get pipe smokers too.

Although--interestingly enough--nicotine seems to protect against Alzheimer's disease. See link below:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...DBAH&usg=AOvVaw1Cjyx1BsK5POALI4yztmeP&ampcf=1

I could see an argument that anything that keeps you mentally sharp into old age would extend life, as mentally sharp people take better care of themselves and are more active. I also suspect that mental sharpness allows an elderly person to be more aware of their environment, so they are less likely to have bad falls or other accidents.

Still . . . tobacco--like any addictive substance--is a tremendously profitable business.

I try to stay away from conspiracy theories, but tobacco companies have been known to falsify and distort scientific findings before to keep their deadly and toxic products on the market, so I wonder about these positive findings concerning nicotine.
 
https://www.instituteofman.com/2014/03/03/pipe-smokers-live-longer/
“According to the Committee, cigar smoke has 4 times as much benz(a)pyrene as cigarette smoke, and pipe smoke ten times as much as cigarette smoke (p. 58). Yet, the Committee found pipe and cigar smoke to be pretty much innocent of causing lung cancer, and even concluded that pipe smokers live longer than non-smokers.”
 
http://eattheplanet.org/surprisingly-smoking-tobacco-from-a-pipe-may-have-health-benefits/
Does Smoking Tobacco From A Pipe Really Have Health Benefits?
This was so shocking and unbelievable to me when I heard it that I had to do more research. The following is a quote from the US Surgeon General report “Smoking and Health” (No. 1103, page 92) “Among the pipe smokers…The U.S. mortality ratios are 0.8 for non-inhalers and 1.0 for inhalers;”. So what does that mean, their study was using a mortality ratio of 1.0 as the mortality ratio for a non-smoker, and what they found is that pipe smokers that don’t inhale have a slightly lower mortality ratio which means that they live slightly longer. That needs repeating…Pipe smokers that don’t inhale live longer that non-smokers according to that study.
 
https://www.instituteofman.com/2014/03/03/pipe-smokers-live-longer/
“According to the Committee, cigar smoke has 4 times as much benz(a)pyrene as cigarette smoke, and pipe smoke ten times as much as cigarette smoke (p. 58). Yet, the Committee found pipe and cigar smoke to be pretty much innocent of causing lung cancer, and even concluded that pipe smokers live longer than non-smokers.”
This is very interesting. I'll have to consider it, but another question occurs to me.

Marijuana was--as the government said--a "gateway drug" to harder substances like cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine. This later turned out to be bullshit, but people believe this today, and is one of the biggest arguments against legalization of weed.

Even so, I wonder if pipe smoking can be a gateway to cigarettes . . . which do kill you.
 
I considered pipe smoking, but shied away from it as I was a chronic cigarette smoker who was up to two packs a day. I quit 24 years ago, but I was always afraid that smoking a pipe (with tobacco, as the distinction is important, if you know what I mean) would cause me to relapse into cigarette smoking . . . like an alcoholic taking that first drink after years of sobriety.
 
Even so, I wonder if pipe smoking can be a gateway to cigarettes . . . which do kill you.
I doubt it. Pipe smoking is very different from cigarette smoking. People do it because they enjoy it, not because they are addicted. You don't see any ten step programs for quitting pipe smoking.
 
I doubt it. Pipe smoking is very different from cigarette smoking. People do it because they enjoy it, not because they are addicted. You don't see any ten step programs for quitting pipe smoking.
I have never been a pipe smoker (of tobacco), so I'll have to take your word for it.

Still . . . if pipe smoking is harmless, how would you feel if your 8 year old kid started doing it? I promise I'm not trying to be nasty (you have given me very valuable guidance on several subjects, amd you have--literally--saved me considerable amounts of money in certain ways--your criticism of the Nikon 'scope in another thread is an example, as I didn't know that Nikon was abandoning rifle sights--so I am appreciative. I would have bought an expensive Nikon scope because I like the quality on Nikon cameras and lenses.), but this is a legitimate question.
 
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I have never been a pipe smoker (of tobacco), so I'll have to take your word for it.

Still . . . if pipe smoking is harmless, how would you feel if your 8 year old kid started doing it?
My daughter expressed an interest in pipe smoking and I helped her get started and gave her my most expensive pipe (which I had not smoked). She didn't continue for very long though.
 
I have been an on-again-off-again pipe smoker since the mid 1970s. I stopped a few years ago and decided to wait until I was old enough that the odds of getting cancer from it in the future were nonexistent, and then I would pick it up again.

However, the company that made my favorite tobacco (McClelland Number 5100 Red Cake) went out of business and there is no direct substitute that I can find, so I probably won't.
 

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