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So, yes, a small group of ham radio operators have been playing with satellites for decades now. So, let's play "catch up", because until now, these satellites have been anything but wonderful.

At the moment, there are several amateur radio satellites that are in orbit. And no, it's not because there were a few very wealthy ham radio operators who decided to launch their own satellites. Just a ride into space, specifically to launch a satellite, costs about $5million - $10million. What they've done is raised just enough money to piggy-back on a few NASA launches. And they built these satellites themselves. Some of them are smaller than a soccer ball.


"Then"

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The biggest problem with the satellites, is that they didn't stay in one spot. All of them orbited around the Earth, meaning that if you stood out in your yard and could see the satellite, it would rise like the sun, fly over your head, and set behind you. This process would take about 8 - 10 minutes. That's not enough time for a conversation. And indeed, once you listen in to the satellite, you hear hundreds of people doing little more than conducting radio checks for their log books.

This was "sad and pathetic", I thought. You would have to achieve an entirely new level of nerdiness for this to be fascinating.

Then there are the technical complications. Because the satellite is moving, you have to correct for the Doppler effect. Imagine standing on the side of the road, and a fire truck comes screaming past you. The change in pitch (from high to low) of the siren, is due to this effect. For radio, this means that the frequency is slowly decreasing as the satellite travels away from you. Unless you are changing your frequency ever so slightly, every second, you get to hear the satellite for 1 or 2 seconds, and then it's gone. (These satellites usually had a 2 meter uplink, and a 440 downlink).

As you can imagine, in recent times, these people have developed computer programs which interface with servos on a satellite dish, and with a ham radio, which will do all of this automatically. Still though, your window is short, and getting your call sign in a log book just wasn't enticing enough to get me in on it.


"Now"

For the first time, we're about to have a geosynchronous satellite above the USA. It will stay in the same spot in the sky, forever. This changes the entire game, completely. They're expecting the launch to happen around the end of this year, or sometime next year. This means satellite access, 24/7/365! It also means there's no Doppler to correct for - none of the complications as described above. Oh, and here's the best part:

It's not your standard simple "repeater" either. The first thing I thought about was that it would packed full of people trying to use it, all the time, making it virtually unusable. This satellite, however, will be able to handle roughly 1,000 different conversations, simultaneously. Don't ask me how they pulled that off, because frankly, I just don't know how that works. Yet.

Here's what I can tell you about it, though:

Unlike all of the other ham radio satellites, this one is not an individual unit. It's going to be built-in to an Air Force satellite. That means it will have access to a very expensive solar array and power system. Gone are the days of weak satellite signals. Well, kinda.

The "bad news" is, unlike the other "Near Earth Orbit" amateur radio satellites, this one is going to be far away, because that's where we keep our geosynchronous satellites. Because it's going to be much farther away from Earth, now we're talking about different frequency bands. Whereas the existing ham radio satellites use the 2m and 70cm bands, this one is going have a 5GHz uplink, and a 10GHz downlink.

Don't worry - everyone who knows about this is already freaking out about it, and are working on a cheap solution. We already know that the 10GHz downlink is no problem, because this is the same band used by Dish Network and such. You should be able to use their dishes to get the signal. Some are already discussing how to modify a satellite internet dish for both uplink and downlink.

To address this difficulty, plans are already in place to build at least 4 "uplink/downlink stations" that are accessible with normal ham bands, although the specifics on that haven't been released yet.


Conclusion

If you live outside the USA, I'm afraid your wait will continue. For the rest of us, this is going to be a godsend alternative to using HF for long-distance communications. The biggest challenge will be to not become dependent on it once it's up and running, because, as I said, it is an Air Force satellite, thus, it comes with a kill switch. It's also susceptible to being nuked should SHTF. And, in the event of an emergency, they DO have the ability to control who gets into it, meaning that if you aren't on the "approved list", all you can do is listen-in.

So, is this a "dream come true"? The answer to that is, "yes and no".
 
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So, yes, a small group of ham radio operators have been playing with satellites for decades now. So, let's play "catch up", because until now, these satellites have been anything but wonderful.

At the moment, there are several amateur radio satellites that are in orbit. And no, it's not because there were a few very wealthy ham radio operators who decided to launch their own satellites. Just a ride into space, specifically to launch a satellite, costs about $5million - $10million. What they've done is raised just enough money to piggy-back on a few NASA launches. And they built these satellites themselves. Some of them are smaller than a soccer ball.


"Then"

Keith-Arrow.jpg


The biggest problem with the satellites, is that they didn't stay in one spot. All of them orbited around the Earth, meaning that if you stood out in your yard and could see the satellite, it would rise like the sun, fly over your head, and set behind you. This process would take about 8 - 10 minutes. That's not enough time for a conversation. And indeed, once you listen in to the satellite, you hear hundreds of people doing little more than conducting radio checks for their log books.

This was "sad and pathetic", I thought. You would have to achieve an entirely new level of nerdiness for this to be fascinating.

Then there are the technical complications. Because the satellite is moving, you have to correct for the Doppler effect. Imagine standing on the side of the road, and a fire truck comes screaming past you. The change in pitch (from high to low) of the siren, is due to this effect. For radio, this means that the frequency is slowly decreasing as the satellite travels away from you. Unless you are changing your frequency ever so slightly, every second, you get to hear the satellite for 1 or 2 seconds, and then it's gone. (These satellites usually had a 2 meter uplink, and a 440 downlink).

As you can imagine, in recent times, these people have developed computer programs which interface with servos on a satellite dish, and with a ham radio, which will do all of this automatically. Still though, your window is short, and getting your call sign in a log book just wasn't enticing enough to get me in on it.


"Now"

For the first time, we're about to have a geosynchronous satellite above the USA. It will stay in the same spot in the sky, forever. This changes the entire game, completely. They're expecting the launch to happen around the end of this year, or sometime next year. This means satellite access, 24/7/365! It also means there's no Doppler to correct for - none of the complications as described above. Oh, and here's the best part:

It's not your standard simple "repeater" either. The first thing I thought about was that it would packed full of people trying to use it, all the time, making it virtually unusable. This satellite, however, will be able to handle roughly 1,000 different conversations, simultaneously. Don't ask me how they pulled that off, because frankly, I just don't know how that works. Yet.

Here's what I can tell you about it, though:

Unlike all of the other ham radio satellites, this one is not an individual unit. It's going to be built-in to an Air Force satellite. That means it will have access to a very expensive solar array and power system. Gone are the days of weak satellite signals. Well, kinda.

The "bad news" is, unlike the other "Near Earth Orbit" amateur radio satellites, this one is going to be far away, because that's where we keep our geosynchronous satellites. Because it's going to be much farther away from Earth, now we're talking about different frequency bands. Whereas the existing ham radio satellites use the 2m and 70cm bands, this one is going have a 5GHz uplink, and a 10GHz downlink.

Don't worry - everyone who knows about this is already freaking out about it, and are working on a cheap solution. We already know that the 10GHz downlink is no problem, because this is the same band used by Dish Network and such. You should be able to use their dishes to get the signal. Some are already discussing how to modify a satellite internet dish for both uplink and downlink.

To address this difficulty, plans are already in place to build at least 4 "uplink/downlink stations" that are accessible with normal ham bands, although the specifics on that haven't been released yet.


Conclusion

If you live outside the USA, I'm afraid your wait will continue. For the rest of us, this is going to be a godsend alternative to using HF for long-distance communications. The biggest challenge will be to not become dependent on it once it's up and running, because, as I said, it is an Air Force satellite, thus, it comes with a kill switch. It's also susceptible to being nuked should SHTF. And, in the event of an emergency, they DO have the ability to control who gets into it, meaning that if you aren't on the "approved list", all you can do is listen-in.

So, is this a "dream come true"? The answer to that is, "yes and no".
Pretty cool stuff! I would love to have a reliable comm system that dosent take a Ph.D. Or a millionaires income.
 
Interesting SHTF possibilities here. Once this is up and running, and there's more done to solve the pitfalls, it's definitely now on my radar. I was already thinking about a HAM base unit in the garage, and handheld HAMs in the vehicles, etc. This is even better. Maybe even a possible foundation of an actual post SHTT communications network.
 
Interesting SHTF possibilities here. Once this is up and running, and there's more done to solve the pitfalls, it's definitely now on my radar. I was already thinking about a HAM base unit in the garage, and handheld HAMs in the vehicles, etc. This is even better. Maybe even a possible foundation of an actual post SHTT communications network.
I would definately like more and better options. I've heard about satellite phones that can get signal just about anywhere in the world. I'm sure they would be expensive, but are they even available to the general public? Also are they just a phone or can they be a ham radio as well? If anyone knows....
 
I would definately like more and better options. I've heard about satellite phones that can get signal just about anywhere in the world. I'm sure they would be expensive, but are they even available to the general public? Also are they just a phone or can they be a ham radio as well? If anyone knows....

You are thinking about Iridium satellite phones they cost a bloody fortune to hire and run.
 
Interesting SHTF possibilities here. Once this is up and running, and there's more done to solve the pitfalls, it's definitely now on my radar. I was already thinking about a HAM base unit in the garage, and handheld HAMs in the vehicles, etc. This is even better. Maybe even a possible foundation of an actual post SHTT communications network.

Satellite is going to be exclusively for long-distance communications. This is good because you will be able to get more information, in general, after SHTF. Then again, HF does the same, but it's a bit more complicated (weather conditions, etc.). If anything happens to the satellite, HF is always there as a suitable replacement.

Now, for your handhelds - if it MUST be a handheld, then yes, ham is definitely the way to go. But if you're planning to keep them in your vehicles, then a mobile ham radio would be by far the better bet. Now, I know what you're thinking: "But I want to be able to get out of the vehicle, walk around, and stay in touch too". The problem is, once you're say, 2-5 miles away from home, your handheld is worthless. A mobile will easily get you 20 miles. This is all assuming, of course, that all of your local repeaters have shutdown. Which is the smartest way to plan.

Icom makes a mobile radio that can be set to act like a repeater (IC-5100). So, if you happen to have both a handheld and a mobile rig, you can set your vehicle up as a repeater, and as long as you're within 2-5 miles of your vehicle, you can be 20 miles from home.

I know. This crap gets expensive, really quick.
 
The other thing I see being miss understood is the average HT is not going to communicate on the bandwidth the satellite is using. It means a new set of specific radios and antennas. That's not going to be as easy to carry around and use as the standard whip antenna
 
The other thing I see being miss understood is the average HT is not going to communicate on the bandwidth the satellite is using. It means a new set of specific radios and antennas. That's not going to be as easy to carry around and use as the standard whip antenna

Correct. The operators who are scrambling to nail all of this down, are spending a lot of time eyeballing satellite internet dishes, which are heavy and bulky, but easily found and acquired post SHTF. I definitely expect someone to design and build something light and portable that would have mediocre results. Thing is, these antennas kinda have to be heavy and bulky in order to stay completely still while holding a heavy transmitter.

A system like this one would be better suited as a permanent installation for a doomsday bunker, for example. Until someone comes up with a better, more tactical antenna design, that is. And even then, the whip is still king.

As for the separate radios, well, that is partially correct. Here's an SDR which is about the size of a standard wireless router, which will transceive everything from 70MHz to 6GHz: https://www.ettus.com/product/details/UB200-KIT

Sure, you'll probably need an amplifier or two, but, as far as a "go box" is concerned, this thing lightens and shrinks your load. This is your 2meters, 440, well. . . everything to 23cm and even a bit beyond.

You'll need a separate SDR to get your 10GHz receive side taken care of. This guy seems to be close to reaching a solution: http://www.rtl-sdr.com/receiving-a-10ghz-beacon-with-rtl-sdr-and-an-avenger-lnbf/
 

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