and ran across 4 guys in another car that my driver guy knew, but neither Butch nor I knew. Danny and the other guys talked about some little slut that they knew of, and some bar that would serve beer to 17 yo's. Then they decided that they should beat our asses, and charged our vehicle. I had a 1911 .45 and my reloads, featuring hornady 185 gr jhp's (didnt expand in animal tests due to too-thick jacket and too small a nose cavity, ) and 8.5 grs of Unique powder. I touched off one rd over their heads, and they got back into their car a lot faster than they'd gotten out! Went back to talking beer, too. The muzzleflash and blast of that load were horrendous.