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Bug In or out , your response times matter.
Think about it, we nearly all have well sorted INCH, BOB or GHBs and plans on what to do it the balloon goes up, but have you considered your RESPONSE times in relation to Getting Out Of Town / Getting home/ Evacuating in the context of what everyone else is doing at the same time.
Lets consider a few examples of thev worst kind first before looking at more likely issues.
1 Cascadia / San Andreas. If you live close to the coast you could have as little as five minutes to react to a tsunami hitting places like Coastal Oregon / Washington and an average of roughly 12 to 25 minutes in So Cal. But remember the footage from Anchorage in the 60s when the same fault let rip, the first thing that went out was the bridges and roads as huge landslides blocked roads, bridges collapsed and in places roads split and rose or fell by 30 meters so you need to explore all options including such things as heading to the upper floors of tower blocks and Multi story Car Parks insead of joining the masses running away from the sea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Alaska_earthquake
2 Depending where you live if the Volcano on Gran Canaria erupted and that huge chunk of mountainside fell into the ocean you could have up to 3 hours to get out to safety in Northern Europe and FIVE hours on the East Coast of the US, but consider the blind panic as New York, Boston etc Galeston, New Orleans, Miami and the Keys etc all tried to get inland in five hours ?. During H Andrew when the target area had DAYS of warning many left it late to move to safer ground inland, Gridlock ensued and one well documented Prepper families efforts were for nothing. They left 12 hours before the storm was due to hit in a fully prepped BOV with full tanks and extra jerry cans, but because of the huge volume of traffic they found themselves crawling along at 5 MPH for 14 hours and ran out of fuel in the middle of nowheresville Georgie. Imagine all of the lowlanders of SE England trying to head west and north in a blind panic with the news that the tsunami is only 3 hours away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Andrew
3 Slipping down the scale of dramitic effect a bit if we had another perfect storm of the type that caused so much damage to the east coast in 1953 where nearly 3000 Brits and Dutch drowned often in their homes. Today sea levels are higher, population density is FAR higher today and only certain key coastal and riverine defences like the Thames barrier are fully maintained. Another storm like the 1953 storm if it broke through the defences could kill upwards of 50,000 people and deluge much of London and the area arounds the Thames Delta. Can you imagine 9.3 million Londoners trying to leave the area in a hurry and most would not try to get out until the barriers started to fail. Only ONE van leaking diesel in the Blackhall tunnel this week during rush hour caused traffic jams over 10 miles long and delays of up to 5 hours across a huge area, so a couple of minor crashes, people running out of fuel etc and hundreds of thousands will be stranded with no room for manouvre. Oh and in 1953 we still have a huge CIVIL DEFENCE program of eqiupment and staff to help rescue efforts ALL now long disbanded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953
4 So imagine a Spanish flu outbreal like the one in 1918 hitting London, crippling essential services https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic or an EMP or Carrington event https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859 hitting the country and suddenly the power is gone, not only have your cities lost their electricity but their street lights, traffic lights, cell phones, land lines, refridgeration, tube trains, trams, water , gas and sewage supplies, check out tills and credit card readers, cash points, lifts, flood barriers power to houses and shops. Imagine the Carrington event happening in a bad winter?
In 2016 it could just as easily be a combined Terrorist attack on the power and telecoms networks by returning Jidhadis the government welcomed back to the UK. It could be even very large and widespread mass industrial action that inadvertantly gets out of hand and society fails to recover quickly from it.
It could even be the arrival of MILLIONS of desperate migrants overwhelming the authorities and pouring into the UK in huge numbers collapsing our entire social welfare infrastructure and looting, stealing and rioting. The French are likely to give a huge moving mass of migrants free passage to Calais rather than confront them.
Imagine any given scenario where you need to get home QUICK or bug out QUICK I am sure most if not all of us have our plans in place regardless of how minor, melodramatic or massive they are, but have you considered all the potential obsticles in your way from blocked roads, refugees, road blocks, strikers, terrorist activity, riots by migrants creating no go areas, collapsed bridges, traffic jams, YOUR vehicle breaking down AND the realisation that your alloted times for getting out of town turn out to be far shorter than you planned for. Consider Alternative routes, Consider alternative responses, Consider the suitability of your current kit to deal with varying situatons and far shorter reaction times.
Oh and never forget its the preppers who are best informed who can react quickly to take advantage of the various APPS and Tickers you can get for your PCs and Cell phones that instantly send breaking news to you as it happens.
 
a lot of good points there..and as it's been said,i don't know how many times.it's best to plan ahead.and have back up plans for your back up plans.always have a alternate routes,in which you can change your route at any time..have maps with the diff routes,in which they show every road possible.and maybe cross country routes as well.
 
well put N.R,that responsetime is something that I personally need to think hard about,if I'm not doing practicum it's okay,if something happened when I'm sitting in the ambulance,I might be stuck,trying to help a panicing mass (don't like the idea) instead of makeing my way back to my base..to realtive safety atleast.
 
Bug In or out , your response times matter.
Think about it, we nearly all have well sorted INCH, BOB or GHBs and plans on what to do it the balloon goes up, but have you considered your RESPONSE times in relation to Getting Out Of Town / Getting home/ Evacuating in the context of what everyone else is doing at the same time.
Lets consider a few examples of thev worst kind first before looking at more likely issues.
1 Cascadia / San Andreas. If you live close to the coast you could have as little as five minutes to react to a tsunami hitting places like Coastal Oregon / Washington and an average of roughly 12 to 25 minutes in So Cal. But remember the footage from Anchorage in the 60s when the same fault let rip, the first thing that went out was the bridges and roads as huge landslides blocked roads, bridges collapsed and in places roads split and rose or fell by 30 meters so you need to explore all options including such things as heading to the upper floors of tower blocks and Multi story Car Parks insead of joining the masses running away from the sea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Alaska_earthquake
2 Depending where you live if the Volcano on Gran Canaria erupted and that huge chunk of mountainside fell into the ocean you could have up to 3 hours to get out to safety in Northern Europe and FIVE hours on the East Coast of the US, but consider the blind panic as New York, Boston etc Galeston, New Orleans, Miami and the Keys etc all tried to get inland in five hours ?. During H Andrew when the target area had DAYS of warning many left it late to move to safer ground inland, Gridlock ensued and one well documented Prepper families efforts were for nothing. They left 12 hours before the storm was due to hit in a fully prepped BOV with full tanks and extra jerry cans, but because of the huge volume of traffic they found themselves crawling along at 5 MPH for 14 hours and ran out of fuel in the middle of nowheresville Georgie. Imagine all of the lowlanders of SE England trying to head west and north in a blind panic with the news that the tsunami is only 3 hours away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Andrew
3 Slipping down the scale of dramitic effect a bit if we had another perfect storm of the type that caused so much damage to the east coast in 1953 where nearly 3000 Brits and Dutch drowned often in their homes. Today sea levels are higher, population density is FAR higher today and only certain key coastal and riverine defences like the Thames barrier are fully maintained. Another storm like the 1953 storm if it broke through the defences could kill upwards of 50,000 people and deluge much of London and the area arounds the Thames Delta. Can you imagine 9.3 million Londoners trying to leave the area in a hurry and most would not try to get out until the barriers started to fail. Only ONE van leaking diesel in the Blackhall tunnel this week during rush hour caused traffic jams over 10 miles long and delays of up to 5 hours across a huge area, so a couple of minor crashes, people running out of fuel etc and hundreds of thousands will be stranded with no room for manouvre. Oh and in 1953 we still have a huge CIVIL DEFENCE program of eqiupment and staff to help rescue efforts ALL now long disbanded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953
4 So imagine a Spanish flu outbreal like the one in 1918 hitting London, crippling essential services https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic or an EMP or Carrington event https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859 hitting the country and suddenly the power is gone, not only have your cities lost their electricity but their street lights, traffic lights, cell phones, land lines, refridgeration, tube trains, trams, water , gas and sewage supplies, check out tills and credit card readers, cash points, lifts, flood barriers power to houses and shops. Imagine the Carrington event happening in a bad winter?
In 2016 it could just as easily be a combined Terrorist attack on the power and telecoms networks by returning Jidhadis the government welcomed back to the UK. It could be even very large and widespread mass industrial action that inadvertantly gets out of hand and society fails to recover quickly from it.
It could even be the arrival of MILLIONS of desperate migrants overwhelming the authorities and pouring into the UK in huge numbers collapsing our entire social welfare infrastructure and looting, stealing and rioting. The French are likely to give a huge moving mass of migrants free passage to Calais rather than confront them.
Imagine any given scenario where you need to get home QUICK or bug out QUICK I am sure most if not all of us have our plans in place regardless of how minor, melodramatic or massive they are, but have you considered all the potential obsticles in your way from blocked roads, refugees, road blocks, strikers, terrorist activity, riots by migrants creating no go areas, collapsed bridges, traffic jams, YOUR vehicle breaking down AND the realisation that your alloted times for getting out of town turn out to be far shorter than you planned for. Consider Alternative routes, Consider alternative responses, Consider the suitability of your current kit to deal with varying situatons and far shorter reaction times.
Oh and never forget its the preppers who are best informed who can react quickly to take advantage of the various APPS and Tickers you can get for your PCs and Cell phones that instantly send breaking news to you as it happens.
Lots of good things to think about there! I went thru several hurricanes in fla. and have seen how bad the roads get, and how quickly. I'd rather ride it out on my property that risk getting stuck out on the road. Way too exposed to both the event and desperate masses. There is definately a short window for your action in a large scale emergency.
 
The best we can do is stay informed of our hazards and use some common sense.

Here in Washington a cascadia subduction zone rupture with an m8-9EQ one would have roughly 30 minutes to hit higher ground, in remote area off shore a tsunami that is created by a distant EQ or landslide and travels across the ocean would take hours to hit us, if an significant EQ struck seattle it would take minutes for an tsunami to hit our shore line though not always the case, we have had 6.5 on the juan de fuca plate and didn't even get a ripple so it all really depends on the depth and location, we have multiple sensors out in the ocean that is tighed into our AHABs warning sirens.

Currently we are having EQ swarms under St. Helen, Mount Rainer, Mount Hood and activity on Glacier Peak. We are always ready to a degree but I'm also under no illusions.

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one thing i've given thought of,quiet a few times.what if a tornado or wild fire is heading my way,in which i have to get out of bed.then get dressed..and if i have time to do so.load up what i can,into the vehicle,or not.then head out,if i have time in a tornado situation...in which,i've gotten dressed with very little light on a number of occasions.which i get light from my pc monitor and tower only.i manged to get up and dressed in less then 2 1/2 minutes.between 3 and 3 1/2 minutes when it comes to boots instead of shoes.that includes clothes,slip on shoes(deck shoes),unplugging cell phone and putting on my belt.then it'd be a matter of grabbing what i need to,then head for tornado safe room.or head for the car.
 
one thing i've given thought of,quiet a few times.what if a tornado or wild fire is heading my way,in which i have to get out of bed.then get dressed..and if i have time to do so.load up what i can,into the vehicle,or not.then head out,if i have time in a tornado situation...in which,i've gotten dressed with very little light on a number of occasions.which i get light from my pc monitor and tower only.i manged to get up and dressed in less then 2 1/2 minutes.between 3 and 3 1/2 minutes when it comes to boots instead of shoes.that includes clothes,slip on shoes(deck shoes),unplugging cell phone and putting on my belt.then it'd be a matter of grabbing what i need to,then head for tornado safe room.or head for the car.
My being near deaf is a huge disadvantage. My son was inside the house, and said it took a lot of effort to rouse me. I'm afraid I would sleep right thru a tornado or security threat. I do have a dog in bed with me, but she is about worthless for security as she's more likely to hide behind me!
 
my dog is right there when i shoot a mole,armadillo or what ever.but,i don't know if she would be of any help or not at times of emergency..
My dogs main talent is cuddling! So much for the tough pit bull image.
 
More likely than not, I'll be at work, 50 miles away from my home, when something goes down. Assuming this, my vehicle is packed, as well as my GHB. I'll certainly drive as far as I can, but I have no doubt at some point I'll likely have to abandon the truck and hoof it, due to traffic. I have alternate routes, but some routes (like those with a bridge, etc.) I just can't easily exit.
 
More likely than not, I'll be at work, 50 miles away from my home, when something goes down. Assuming this, my vehicle is packed, as well as my GHB. I'll certainly drive as far as I can, but I have no doubt at some point I'll likely have to abandon the truck and hoof it, due to traffic. I have alternate routes, but some routes (like those with a bridge, etc.) I just can't easily exit.
I guess being aware or the routes available is the best you can do.
 
That and just having supplies for a 3 day trek....(as well as my pistol and ammo to KEEP those supplies).
Mostly, I'd likely stay hidden for the hot and bright part of the day, and move more in the morning, evening, and dark of night.
 
Cascadia subduction zone 9.0EQ in 1700 caused a tsunami that swooped inland far enough that it killed a large portion of the forest that still stands today, known as the dead forest near copalis bay washington, this EQ also caused destruction in japan known as the orphan tsunami of 1700. This is the earthquake geologist are expecting to hit us again at anytime.

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More likely than not, I'll be at work, 50 miles away from my home, when something goes down. Assuming this, my vehicle is packed, as well as my GHB. I'll certainly drive as far as I can, but I have no doubt at some point I'll likely have to abandon the truck and hoof it, due to traffic. I have alternate routes, but some routes (like those with a bridge, etc.) I just can't easily exit.

I often here my American friends say pretty much the same thing and i cannot help but wonder are their / your car not big enough to keep a cheap folding bicycle in ?? its gotta be better than walking?
 

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