Thinking one has most bases covered? Think again!

bigpaul said:

a cave? he needs a Nissen hut for that lot!! I don't want to even think how much food stores we would need for 14 people.

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is that anything like a over sized touring bus? LOL

no its a big Army building, they used to be all over this country, I think my mother and father in law lived in one for awhile back when they first got married.

bigpaul said:

a cave? he needs a Nissen hut for that lot!! I don't want to even think how much food stores we would need for 14 people.

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I have 4 kids all them have thier own kids Lisa has 2 that also has kids, my oldest granddaughter is married... It don't take long for the numbers to multiply they all pitch in and for the most part they all pretty much staying on the property now, thankfully they all get along and pretty much predict what the other is going to do, we get things done without saying a word, makes it nice.

Bloody hell it takes 500,000 Mormons to populate Utah but only one Maverick to population Washington

Maverick at home

Northern Raider said:

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Glad to see there's still some trees left out there!

Ok, that's good lol, ya, so far the trees are still here least in my parts of Washington. We had a good rain storm yesterday and today just not in the eastern part of the state and not enough in the northern part of the state.

Maverick said:

Ok, that's good lol, ya, so far the trees are still here least in my parts of Washington. We had a good rain storm yesterday and today just not in the eastern part of the state and not enough in the northern part of the state.

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Seriously, glad your property is ok and that you got some much needed rain. By the way, nice avatar. The cop in Texas that was executed is disturbing to say the least.

Brent S said:

Seriously, glad your property is ok and that you got some much needed rain. By the way, nice avatar. The cop in Texas that was executed is disturbing to say the least.

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It was the reason I changed it was because of the Deputy, I'll keep it up for a while

We just had a London Met Cop shot dead in gun free UK yesterday

haven't seen that one in the news yet NR.

I think a very important lesson to learn from this experience, and this includes myself, not to cast our plans and ideas in stone. (Sh** Happens) I`m not a latin expert, but if i`m not mistaken your Marines motto is "Adapt and overcome". There are so many variables that can affect us, that it is humanly impossible to work out all the scenarios. I try to think of it like this. If my wife and I had to step out today with only the clothes on our back, would we be able to survive?, only time will tell, but i think it has more to do with our mindsets, are we going to adapt and overcome, or will we sutting in a puddle going BooHooHoo, life`s not fair. I hope we are all able to stick to the first. Rethinking all the plans we made from time to time is a good thing, otherwise we get tunnel vision and we tend to focus only on certain things as preppers we sould be able to think inside the box and outside. Its sounds like you do have everything close by, maybe you should start thinking about more distance, maybe crossing borders even countries? (A friend of mine always says do not discard a plan because sounds like dung, keep it, file it, you may need it some day.)

SORRY GOT IT WRONG WITH MOTTO PART [emoji15]

bigpaul said:

haven't seen that one in the news yet NR.

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I think Sky News may have got the story arse first, I just went to their website and they have taken the story down but the Metro paper says the cops shot a shite dude dead last night??

UK preppers unofficial motto is " Survive and Thrive"

Joe SA said:

I think a very important lesson to learn from this experience, and this includes myself, not to cast our plans and ideas in stone. (Sh** Happens) I`m not a latin expert, but if i`m not mistaken your Marines motto is "Adapt and overcome". There are so many variables that can affect us, that it is humanly impossible to work out all the scenarios. I try to think of it like this. If my wife and I had to step out today with only the clothes on our back, would we be able to survive?, only time will tell, but i think it has more to do with our mindsets, are we going to adapt and overcome, or will we sutting in a puddle going BooHooHoo, life`s not fair. I hope we are all able to stick to the first. Rethinking all the plans we made from time to time is a good thing, otherwise we get tunnel vision and we tend to focus only on certain things as preppers we sould be able to think inside the box and outside. Its sounds like you do have everything close by, maybe you should start thinking about more distance, maybe crossing borders even countries? (A friend of mine always says do not discard a plan because sounds like dung, keep it, file it, you may need it some day.)

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I thought about it for while, this thing that people want put steel containers underground and dig holes into mountain side and so on and so on, yes a cave has its merrits shelter from storm ect. But long term i dont think so. When the earth shakes and rumbles, you have rock slides, when it rains to much you have mud slides, those holes you need to get out with can get covered. If you are inside a big metal box, you are already inside the rat trap. Have you seen an octopus figure out how to open the lid on a jar to get to a fish on the inside, and he`s probably got the brain the size of a walnut. For me personally caves, undergound containers and the likes are good storage and temporary shelters.

Aha someone picked up the KEY and most USEFUL point TEMPORARY !!!. Shipping containers are insanely strong even quite old ones and in somple paces you can pick em up for SCRAP value, add a spot of cheap welding and dump a few in your AO No they are NOT perfect, No they are not ideal but they are bloody useful emergency locations to gather, hide, rest etc and if you have a hint of good luck ( Yes we have to allow for fate, even if you moved into a Minuteman missile bunker you could still luck out) you could find the container helps you get through the troubles. AND of course if the area you put them in becomes unsuitable you can move a container easier than a log cabin. Anything is better than sleeping in the dirt

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. For me personally caves, undergound containers and the likes are good storage and TEMPORARY shelters.

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TEMPORARY for me brings up the question, what time period are you prepping for. Most of us have got the one day pack, the month pack, the year pack and maybe up to 2 to 3 years. In Africa when civil war breaks out, conflict and strive could last for up to anything from 10 to 15 years (Angola, Rhodesia, Zimbabwe act.), for a lot of us here, that has been at it for a while has put that time period as the minimum, are we close to achieving that goal, not by a mile. So within TEMPORARY i do believe there are many levels, BOL`s should never be "last stand" positions if you think like that you have already built a mental wall that prevents you from seeing other potential oppertunities.

Sorry my vriend but after being into survivalism and prepping since 1979 the one thing I still cannot define is " How long" in my limited experience I have come to believe that their are just far to many imponderables.

Who thought Rhodesia would have to fight for its survival for over 30 years, who thought the Post Apartheid era would turn so viciously anti White so quick? my plans are all generalisations, I plan to bug in but still seek out safe alternative bug out locations, I don't intend to leave the UK but desperately try to build close two way mutual support links with preppers overseas, I have both Get Home Bags AND Bug out Bags. I need both a 4x4 ute vehicle and a Van that can double up as a camper van if I have to flee for longer than expected.

I NEVER plan on spending more than one night under canvas.

I keep as much food as I can depending on budget, priorities and global events EG when the Chinese economy went tits up a few weeks ago I spent £300 on extra supplies. We have a Cryptosporidium water problem in parts of the UK at the moment as an example but not only do I store water I also keep extra Empty storage containers AND have two Berkfield water filters incase stored water runs out.

I can and do plan for winter storms knocking out power supplies and closing roads for many days but I also watch our militant trade unions threatening power cuts and transport strikes.

Ask yourself this specific question related to South Africa " How did the Boers / Afrikaans manage to survive / avoid/ run rings around/ live and recover from being in conflict NOT with a few hundred thousand Zulus, but against the entire, massive overwhelming might of the British empire??

The answer is EXACTLY the same as the American Colonials in the 1770s

SPEED/ MOBILITY/ SELF RELIANCE/ ADAPTABILITY/ INTIMATE GEOGRAPHICAL KNOWLEDGE and SUPERB Recon -Intel.

For the ANC / Zulus / Feds/ NSA/Regular military / cops / Brits etc to destroy you first they have to FIND you, Look at the famous / infamous German commander who during WW1 led hundreds of thousands of British and Empire troops on a merry dance round southern Africa for YEARS. We tied up HUGE resources trying to nail this fast moving will informed self reliant Kommando battle group and got nowhere.

Look at the LRDG/SAS during WW2 running rings around the Nazis , Speed/ mobility/ intel/ self reliant won EVERY time.

Bug in is only ONE option we have, but only a fool of the worst kind puts all of his eggs in one basket.

I know Americans who if TSHTF have NEVER looked at crossing the Mexican or Canadian borders even simply as an avoiding tactic like the Commanches used. Afrikaans who look ONLY within SA are wrong, I know Uk preppers who wont consider other UK member countries !!!

BOLs can ONLY be TEMPORARY safe refuges.

Look in 1812ish We Brits within 1 hour defeated the Continental US army with only 4000 Canadians, Brits and others, we captured Washington DC and dozens of other US cities, that SHOULD have meant total victory, BUT The Americans had learned from our light forces and Rangers to MOVE away and to avoid fighting superior military forces so eventually we withdrew, the Merkins stopped trying to steal Canada and the American people reclaimed their cities.

Mobility / Flexibility/ Adaptability/ Self reliant/ Good Intel/ Endurance THATS what we all have to have, You just cannot plan for HOW LONG, the best I can suggest is AS LONG AS YOU CAN.

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TEMPORARY for me brings up the question, what time period are you prepping for. Most of us have got the one day pack, the month pack, the year pack and maybe up to 2 to 3 years. In Africa when civil war breaks out, conflict and strive could last for up to anything from 10 to 15 years (Angola, Rhodesia, Zimbabwe act.), for a lot of us here, that has been at it for a while has put that time period as the minimum, are we close to achieving that goal, not by a mile. So within TEMPORARY i do believe there are many levels, BOL`s should never be "last stand" positions if you think like that you have already built a mental wall that prevents you from seeing other potential oppertunities.

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EG the borders of South Africa is just a set of lines drawn out on a map, its surrounded by other countries and seas all of which offer alternatives and options

You know what, it would be so nice if we could sit down and have cuppa around a camp fire, i think by the time we finished talking about all these things, post SHTF would probably be over.