Greatest threat in thousands of years.

BillMasen said:

Glad I did not join in this thread today

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Ah come in! This is a good discussion!

bigpaul said:

I find people that think with all the industry in the world, the burning and chopping down of the rain forest and 3oo years of industrial production who still think humans don't add to climate change very naïve.
nearly as bad as Sheeple and their downright crazy.
you haven't been here long, you'll find I grow on you after awhile!

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You’ve already grown on me sweetie.

GeorgiaPeachie said:

You’ve already grown on me sweetie.

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Like a fungus!

DrHenley said:

Georgia, we have beaten this horse to death several times over already.

Bigpaul told you where he is coming from - he wants fewer people on the planet.

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LOL! I should have guessed it. Wanting fewer people is fine. Coming up with how to get there is another. My personal answer is to close the border for 10 years and throw out ALL illegals. Everyone seems to forget we closed the borders before with a great outcome!

Brent S said:

And smoking wasn’t proven to cause cancer for decades. Of course co2 is a pollutant. It it wasn’t then why do you die if you leave your car running in a closed garage? Why when I drive towards any large city in America is there a cloud of haze over it. I don’t buy the argument that China and India are polluting so why should we stop. On the other side of this equation I don’t think we should start walking everywhere either, but do believe we should be upping our investment in research majorly towards cleaner fuels.

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The car exhaust that kills you is CO, not CO2. Poor education and pushing the global warming agenda as well as media lying is the cause of most people mixing this up. If you are stuck in a car not running with only people, you wouldn’t be poisoned to death.

GeorgiaPeachie said:

The car exhaust that kills you is CO, not CO2.

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Like I said, they conflate CO2 with real pollutants in their arguments.

Your right that carbon monoxide is the killer in suicides by car exhaust. My response was off the cuff and not really thought out. I still disagree about co2 not being a pollutant though. Anything in too high of concentration is not advisable. The old saying ‘too much of a good thing’ isn’t always good.

Brent S said:

Your right that carbon monoxide is the killer in suicides by car exhaust. My response was off the cuff and not really thought out. I still disagree about co2 not being a pollutant though. Anything in too high of concentration is not advisable. The old saying ‘too much of a good thing’ isn’t always good.

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Commercial greenhouse levels have been pushed co2 up to 1,000ppm for many, many years now. It is so beneficial to the plants. Non commercial greenhouses like mine automatically increase to a much higher level than outdoors. Take it from me, if it were unhealthy I would have had a reaction by now!

DrHenley said:

No actually we don't. The divide is whether or not you believe that CO2 is a pollutant. If you do, then you can conflate it with all other types of pollution, and accuse anyone who doesn't believe it is a pollutant with WANTING pollution. They know that getting rid of CO2 is impossible, so as long as they have CO2 as a whipping boy, they will beat it unmercifully. This has been the left's playbook for decades. "Conservatives want dirty air, dirty water, etc. etc. etc." Take CO2 out of the equation and the US has made great strides in reducing pollution. But every time we do make progress on pollution they come up with some new type of "pollution" that is destroying the earth.

China on the other hand is a filthy hellhole of pollution, but they get a pass for some strange reason.

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Thank you DrHenley. That it the real point that I keep bringing up. When the "powers that be" (ie: the idiots in Washington) come up and/or agree with new treaties, it is ALWAYS the US who is at fault and we have the PAY the rest of the world for their dirty activities. Seems not a single Liberal (ie: Democrat) ever gives the US credit for the strides they have made. They just want to apologize and give Taxpayer "hard earned" money to our enemies to make themselves look good. This is an issue but it has become an even BIGGER political issue than a climate issue. The more I hear the liberals wine and complain (lead by the dumbest person ever to get elected to congress) the more I hate this topic. IT HAD DEVELOPED INTO SUCH A POLITICAL ISSUE THAT THE REAL ISSUE HAS BEEN LOST FOREVER.

I don’t understand not wanting to find cleaner fuels. Energy is very abundant in the universe, finding cleaner and better alternatives than fossil fuels should be common sense. The fossil fuel industry has spent vast amounts of money to discredit even the idea of switching, as it in their best interest not to. Even though the vast majority of scientists across the globe are saying we are not only causing global warming but are making the air we breathe toxic, many people still poo poo it off as far left conspiracy theories. Dosent leaving the planet cleaner and safer for our children make it worth trying harder to develope better technologies ? Human beings are not going to stop their lust for energy, that’s a fact. Hell, I don’t want to give up my ability to drive anywhere, stay cool in the summer or sit in a hot tub when I like. I do think it’s well worth trying a lot harder and investing in research though to find a clean way to power these things though.

bigpaul said:

https://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

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I rest my case.

read it properly.
no don't, I cant be bothered anymore, i'm outta here.

Brent, I agree with what you are saying in that we do need to search/create cleaner energy. And, that is being developed. Maybe a lot slower than some people want but it IS happening. Myself, I am in the process of setting up and using Solar Energy to supplement my energy usage. This is mostly due to the tax credits being offered to help offset the costs. How many other Americans are also taking advantage of this??? I feel sure there are quite a few.

I would really like an Electric vehicle. NOT because it is green but I want the instant Torque that an electric motor provides. The biggest drawback is allowing battery technology to catch up, which seems to be developing. Now, if the cost of these batteries can come down.

I think the biggest difference between me and Brent is Brent wants it today. I am allowing more time for the new technology to develop and more important to me (and many others) is the price to come down to an affordable level for the masses. IT IS HAPPENING, but much slower that then liberals want. IMHO.

Brent S said:

carbon monoxide is the killer in suicides by car exhaust.

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NOT REALLY BRENT, what happens in your lungs is not poisoning by CO. Your blood can and willingly does attach itself with its red blood cells to Oxygen. If this Oxygen molecule just happens to be attached to a bit of Carbon, Nitrogen or other molecules and gets another chemically corrected name. (CO/CO2/NO/NO2) then your blood takes it along and offers it to the cells in your body. Since the chemically non-pure Oxygen cannot be utilised by the cells, they start going into unconsciousness and begin to die from lack of Oxygen. A true poisoning is a chemically different process. With real poisonous gases, you cannot usually save the victim with simply administering a huge and immediate dose of pure Oxygen with a mask...Hope I described this correctly...GP