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the old adage says that a human can live without any food for 3 weeks although some have lasted longer Bobby Sands the IRA hunger striker lived for 66 days but that was under medical supervision.
humans can live for 3 or 4 days without water, so they'll probably more likely die of dehydration than starvation.
I have been told that without food the human stomach starts eating itself so not a nice way to go.
One thing to consider too is yes you can live a few days without water, but you will be severely affected even after the first 30 hours. Weakness, confusion, etc. you won’t be in any shape to make good decisions to survive. The same goes for food, only a little longer. After 3 to 4 days you are allready out of energy and limited on your ability to keep walking, working or thinking clearly. So, yes you can live a while without either, but the average person won’t be able to make sound decisions when they are needed the most.
 
the electricity thing is quite interesting, I did some research back along and found that electricity wasn't connected to British houses until the early 1930s some rural properties didn't get it until the 1960s some places even later, although I believe some business premises had electricity before residential houses, I know my grandparents house in Barnstaple had gas lamps before they had electricity and still had them in the 60s.
so less than 80 years ago living without electricity was the norm, now most people couldn't survive without it, how times-and people- have changed in less than a century.
 
the electricity thing is quite interesting, I did some research back along and found that electricity wasn't connected to British houses until the early 1930s some rural properties didn't get it until the 1960s some places even later, although I believe some business premises had electricity before residential houses, I know my grandparents house in Barnstaple had gas lamps before they had electricity and still had them in the 60s.
so less than 80 years ago living without electricity was the norm, now most people couldn't survive without it, how times-and people- have changed in less than a century.
The houses were designed differently then to accommodate cooking and ventilation better. The modern homes are about worthless without it.
 
@Brent S
Since when have normal folks made good decisions? Now add in dehydration and limited diet and they are done for but not as fast we we think. I just finished watching a Documentary on the sinking of the USS Indianapolis (per accounts from the actually survivors). Those men spent 5 days in the water and most were still able to make good decisions at the end. The weak of mind and spirit (non-believers) will perish first, by the end of the third or fourth day. The tough old birds will last until the 6th. or 7th. day after the water runs out.

To me, a nation wide pandemic SHTF will be the most dangerous event. It will be a very slow break down in services and be very difficult to manage your own supplies, due to the unknown length of the event. This type of event provides the most time to get out of Dodge but will also make the highways dangerous too. The government is going to want to limit the potential spread, so contaminated area's (cities) could and probably would be quarantined. Outlying towns will help enforce the quarantine. They are not going to welcome a boat load of possibly infected city folks.

A grid down situation will be the easiest for a prepper to survive. It is going to be very fast acting. The gangs will not have enough time to band together and plan any viable operations. It is going to be every thug for him / her self. The lack of water is going to be the limiting factor. It stops flowing as soon as the pumps shut down. Thugs have massive street smarts but engineering is not their strong suit. By the time they figure out (just like the majority of folks) that the power is not coming back on, they will already have one foot in the grave yard. I think the main die off will be over within 2 months. Knowledge of water purification and distillation will be critical.
 
@Brent S
Since when have normal folks made good decisions? Now add in dehydration and limited diet and they are done for but not as fast we we think. I just finished watching a Documentary on the sinking of the USS Indianapolis (per accounts from the actually survivors). Those men spent 5 days in the water and most were still able to make good decisions at the end. The weak of mind and spirit (non-believers) will perish first, by the end of the third or fourth day. The tough old birds will last until the 6th. or 7th. day after the water runs out.

To me, a nation wide pandemic SHTF will be the most dangerous event. It will be a very slow break down in services and be very difficult to manage your own supplies, due to the unknown length of the event. This type of event provides the most time to get out of Dodge but will also make the highways dangerous too. The government is going to want to limit the potential spread, so contaminated area's (cities) could and probably would be quarantined. Outlying towns will help enforce the quarantine. They are not going to welcome a boat load of possibly infected city folks.

A grid down situation will be the easiest for a prepper to survive. It is going to be very fast acting. The gangs will not have enough time to band together and plan any viable operations. It is going to be every thug for him / her self. The lack of water is going to be the limiting factor. It stops flowing as soon as the pumps shut down. Thugs have massive street smarts but engineering is not their strong suit. By the time they figure out (just like the majority of folks) that the power is not coming back on, they will already have one foot in the grave yard. I think the main die off will be over within 2 months. Knowledge of water purification and distillation will be critical.
Good point on the Indianapolis survivors, yet they were mostly fit young men in the prime of their lives. Also you absorbe some water thru your skin. Either way, the ones that survived were tough and lucky. Hard to imagine knowing you were about to sink and not even be able to send a distress call.
I agree either a pandemic or grid down would equally be as likely to end the world as we know it. Nature usually finds a way to check an overpopulated species. We have evaded her for a long time due to advances in medical science, but it’s only a matter of time before she gets the upper hand one way or another.
 
Old Joke, Not nice to fool with Mother Nature, just before the lighting strike hit you. We will find a way to reduce out numbers. Either through technology and we move out to the stars or through technology we burn down our house. The one undisputed fact, there is a limit to everything. We can't keep breeding people and expect the planet to continue to provide enough food and water. We are the advanced breed of Lemmings. Our march to the sea is just at a slower pace.
 
I read a US survey some years ago and people were asked how long they could survive, about 28% said they could live for a week or two, 75% said they would be dead within TWO MONTHS.
That is sad to admit. . . I can only hope after being asked that question they wised up. Stocking up doesn't have to be expensive. I just cant imagine why one would choose not to add a little insurance to their life when they probably have it on their house and vehicles.
 
That is sad to admit. . . I can only hope after being asked that question they wised up. Stocking up doesn't have to be expensive. I just cant imagine why one would choose not to add a little insurance to their life when they probably have it on their house and vehicles.
Well said. To so many though the connotation of prepping still seems paranoid or extreme. I think I spend less on it than auto insurance each year.
 
a lot of the sailors in WW2 who were torpedoed spent a lot of time in the water covered in oil and other fuels, most didn't last anything like 6 or 7 days but slowly disappeared under the waves one by one.
I grew up in a time long before supermarkets, mobile phones and computers, us kids got out into the fields and spent more time in the open than we did at home, nowadays all the kids are in their bedrooms on their smartphones and computers, I don't think they know what fresh air is.
most people these days don't know where their food comes from, sometimes even which animal, it comes in a little plastic box with an absorbent pad underneath to soak up the blood so they wont get offended, does anyone really think these sorts of people have a hope in hell of surviving some SHTF event when all the services they rely on are shut down? of course not.
 
that remark someone made about vegans telling hunters to buy their food in a supermarket because no animal was killed to provide the meat, just goes to show how stupid most people are these days, they don't really deserve to survive if that is a specimen of their "intelligence" and knowledge.
start again with a reduced population but one who knows what their talking about.
 
BP,

If the S does HTF, then only those that do know what they are talking about will survive.
 
that remark someone made about vegans telling hunters to buy their food in a supermarket because no animal was killed to provide the meat, just goes to show how stupid most people are these days, they don't really deserve to survive if that is a specimen of their "intelligence" and knowledge.
start again with a reduced population but one who knows what their talking about.
Scientists are starting to "grow" meat in labs so no animals will be killed to produce it. But then I start thinking, if it's growing, is it alive? Maybe we shouldn't be killing their little lab cell-clump creatures. :rolleyes:
The more I learn about prepping, the more I realize that growing up in the country taught me a lot of things I need to know for when SHTF, that a lot of my millennials have no idea how to do.
 
Millennial's are on the list next to DoDo birds. When it comes to do or die, they are dead men (women) walking.
 
I grew up in a city from the age of 8, but my mother was a farmers daughter and I spent as much time out in the woods and fields as I could and later as an adult I went backpacking on moorland.
different generation, most city people these days have no knowledge of the outdoors or how to live differently from the norm.
 
Scientists are starting to "grow" meat in labs so no animals will be killed to produce it. But then I start thinking, if it's growing, is it alive? Maybe we shouldn't be killing their little lab cell-clump creatures. :rolleyes:
The more I learn about prepping, the more I realize that growing up in the country taught me a lot of things I need to know for when SHTF, that a lot of my millennials have no idea how to do.
I grew up in the city unfortunately. I now grow and raise most of the foods we eat. The toughest part of this lifestyle is killing an animal you raised and loved on.You learn about how much tougher it would be on that animal if it was out in the wild. I just spoil rotten while I have and appreciate the love they give. The way we honor is to use every part we can.
 

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