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@ANACONDA Interesting concept but I don't see these countries pouring money into any of the buffer countries so far. I can see Germany volunteering to build and lead a E.U. army in the future. Look how fast Merkle jumped on the idea. Booming industrial complex, full employment for the German people. Aside from the U.K. what other country in Europe has real army and navy? Germany could and would become the "Enforcement" arm to the E.U. and before too long, they would become the true rulers of the E.U. I could see several of the Russian border Countries joining a New NATO could end up being a blocking mechanism against both Russia and Germany. I do not see any Russian border countries being able to stand alone against Russia.

Since I don't live in Europe. I have the luxury of sitting back and watching how things develop. I do appreciate your military updates but I would also like to know more about the people and their views.
 
@ANACONDA Interesting concept but I don't see these countries pouring money into any of the buffer countries so far. I can see Germany volunteering to build and lead a E.U. army in the future. Look how fast Merkle jumped on the idea. Booming industrial complex, full employment for the German people. Aside from the U.K. what other country in Europe has real army and navy? Germany could and would become the "Enforcement" arm to the E.U. and before too long, they would become the true rulers of the E.U. I could see several of the Russian border Countries joining a New NATO could end up being a blocking mechanism against both Russia and Germany. I do not see any Russian border countries being able to stand alone against Russia.

Since I don't live in Europe. I have the luxury of sitting back and watching how things develop. I do appreciate your military updates but I would also like to know more about the people and their views.
The army and navy of Germany is nothing more than an illusion.
Exactly the same situation in the rest of Western European countries. They can carry out police missions within the EU, but they are not suitable for confronting an external enemy. Their leaders are well aware of this and will conduct any negotiations with anyone, just to avoid direct military conflict.
People??? This is the old principle. People the main thing that was ### warm. The lower the standard of living in the country, the more people are able to fight in it, because they have nothing to lose but their lives.
 
After WW1, the army and navy of Germany was crap. By 1940, it was one of the best outfitted in the world and better than any on the European continent. I don't see Germany forking over a ton of money, when they can get the European idiots to buy into a NEW bigger than ever European Military. Why would they send money to the Ukraine or Poland or any other EX-Satellite country when one of their own members is willing to shoulder this horrible burden. The E.U. has delusions of grandeur and think they can become as powerful as China, Russia or the USA but they need the U.K. to stay in the E.U. They can't allow this defection or their house of cards may come crumbling down. They need to severely punish the U.K. for daring to leave and hope to intimidate others into staying. I just don't see the E.U. dumping money into a non-member country for a military build up. I can see the European bureaucrats being stupid enough to empower Germany with the defense of the E.U.

I agree that those with nothing to lose do not worry as much about why they are fighting but they also don't have the incentive to fight to the last man either. I guaranteed I will fight a lot harder to keep invaders out of the USA than a Mexican will to stop the invaders from passing through their country to get to the USA. This just one of those what if scenarios. You may be correct and the E.U. may decide to have other countries do their fighting. Time will tell if either of us are correct.
 
Of course, Germans can make military equipment. The problem is not the equipment at war, but the people who sit in this technique. But with such people, Germany, like the rest of Western European countries, has a big problem. Europeans are not mentally ready to fight. Who will they put in this technique ?? Emigrants from the Middle East ???
 
Since I have no recent experience to judge by and only working from the past history, I am not qualified to argue your opinion of the military ability of the current German populace. I do caution that even after crushing financial reparations from the first world war and massive casualties, they were able to completely rebuild their country and military forces. They accomplished all this within approximately 30 years. Are they too afraid to fight now, I can't say but never ever underestimate a possible opponent.
 
The combat capabilities of the modern Germans are fully reflected in the situation there with immigrants. If two dozen healthy men in a panic get away from one Arab, then what kind of combat possibilities of these men can we talk about ...
Just read that the Germans are discussing with the Austrians on the profile forum.
I was banned there after the second post, for what I wrote that you need to have a weapon and a supply of ammunition.
This sound argument, from my point of view, caused such indignation among the local public that they had been discussing with each other for 4 days what an inhuman sadist I was, and on the 5th day the forum administrator deleted all this scribbling along with my banned account.
 
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I was a mod for a different forum and quit because of their desire to censor member posts. If you were not personally attacking (calling names) then in my opinion, you should not have been censored. Many of my posts would not get me any Mr. Warm and Fuzzy nominations. I do believe you need to have firearms and stock piles of ammo. A disarmed populace is a weakened populace. I also do not trust government, mine or anybodies government. That does not mean we don't need a government but it should always be challenged and carefully watched.

I still caution about underestimating an opponent. The laws regarding how immigrants are to be treated in Germany today, could drastically change and these same males may all of a sudden decide it is time to take back their country. You may not think much of them now but Again Japan felt they could get the soft Americans to concede a war and make favorable trade deals with them. The ART OF WAR is as true today as it was when first written. Underestimating an enemy, is to concede the battle.
 
the ART of WAR is more true today that it was a decade ago..
and what other western country has an working army?? hmmm....I'll let you think about that question..
 
46496009_10156739949462487_1417718805479555072_n.jpg , this pic pretty much tells you what the feelings are among my reservist friends here.... but we are not "central europeans" up here ;)

translation ; rather a lion for a day , than thousand as a sheep..
 
Well...... no.

@EU-Army
In Austria we tend to think of it as a tool for the EU-bureaucracy to keep member states in line and crack down on uprisings against the EU-Regime.
Yes, meanwhile the larger part of people in western Europe think of the EU as an authoritarian socialist regime that is run by globalist puppet-masters(not by Germany).
Therefore there is no support for such an army and it wont happen.

@ANACONDA

#German peoples combat capabilities
If you are endangered to get your life ruined by a judge that is part of a socialist/liberal soaked justice system, you will think twice before you devastate a third world migrant over touching your wifes ###. These guys can loose their jobs, their freedom, their reputation, their family, their future over punching a migrant. So before Anaconda judges people about fighting migrants or not, things have to be put in context with the political climate, the momentary justic-system and the system-media which is all to eager to bring up stories about a bad Nazi punching three poor migrant "kids"(in their 30s) for racist reasons. I guess you will get away easier in the Ukraine for punching a bad behaving migrant then in Germany.
And thats the way it goes in Sweden, in the UK and other western european states. Change out the judges, adapt the laws and there will be a totaly different situation.

#Germans and Austrians talking on a forum, banning poor Ukrainian
I dont know what forum you are talking about, there is a magazine called "Profil" and its part of the system-media supporting socialist-leftwing-views. Thus, the people posting there are mostly socialist liberal gun grabbers. Its like saying the US have no balls because Californians want to ban guns and open the borders.

#Ukraine
You know..... many people in middle Europe see the Ukraine as the problem, not the Russians. The Ukraine is by now a corrupt puppet state of the EU-bureaucracy, funded by the european taxspayers. In fact the EU payed your gas-bills with our taxes to not have you frozen to death! So dont talk down on fighting-capabilities of other countries if you Ukrainians barely can survive the next winter on your own.
 
#German peoples combat capabilities
If you are endangered to get your life ruined by a judge that is part of a socialist/liberal soaked justice system, you will think twice before you devastate a third world migrant over touching your wifes ###. These guys can loose their jobs, their freedom, their reputation, their family, their future over punching a migrant. So before Anaconda judges people about fighting migrants or not, things have to be put in context with the political climate, the momentary justic-system and the system-media which is all to eager to bring up stories about a bad Nazi punching three poor migrant "kids"(in their 30s) for racist reasons. I guess you will get away easier in the Ukraine for punching a bad behaving migrant then in Germany.
And thats the way it goes in Sweden, in the UK and other western european states. Change out the judges, adapt the laws and there will be a totaly different situation.
I do not deny that it is your misfortune, and not your fault. But making a choice is worth remembering :
“You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.' - To Neville Chamberlain”
― Winston Churchill

#Ukraine
You know..... many people in middle Europe see the Ukraine as the problem, not the Russians. The Ukraine is by now a corrupt puppet state of the EU-bureaucracy, funded by the european taxspayers. In fact the EU payed your gas-bills with our taxes to not have you frozen to death! So dont talk down on fighting-capabilities of other countries if you Ukrainians barely can survive the next winter on your own.
This is what all the Russian media, without exception, say 24 hours a day, Đ°nd so 5 years in a row...
Considering what astronomical sums Russia is investing in propoganda in Europe, I did not expect to hear anything else from you.
I am more surprised that you did not write about the marches of fascists,, rampant anti-Semitism fnd death camps for Russian speakers in Ukraine. )))
 
I do not deny that it is your misfortune, and not your fault. But making a choice is worth remembering :
“You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.' - To Neville Chamberlain”
― Winston Churchill


This is what all the Russian media, without exception, say 24 hours a day, Đ°nd so 5 years in a row...
Considering what astronomical sums Russia is investing in propoganda in Europe, I did not expect to hear anything else from you.
I am more surprised that you did not write about the marches of fascists,, rampant anti-Semitism fnd death camps for Russian speakers in Ukraine. )))

In todays western world you have to choose your battles wisely. In Austria its still better then in Germany or the UK. Here we have a right to armed self defense and the legal system is not that 性交ed up like in Germany or the UK.

About the media..... all the media that is pro Ukraine is mainstream media. The european mainstream media is like BBC or CNN, its fake news. Mainstream media in Europe is all about the glory of the EU, the poor "refugees" (which we know as third-world-thugs) that should be let in by the millions and the mainstream media is pro Ukraine and anti-Russia.

Do you see our problem? We have a mainstream media that is constantly bombarding us with fake news that benefits the globalists agenda. Nobody believes them anymore, like nobody with a clear head would believe most of what CNN reports. And now we should believe them when they pick on Russia at every oportunity, making them look like the worst badguys in the world, while the poor Ukrainians suffer unrighteous at their barbaric hands?
Hell Hillary Clinton is a declared enemy of Russia and that alone is a sign that Putin is doing all right.

What we see here is Russia getting provoked on every front. Its a miracle WW3 hasnt already started.
 
In todays western world you have to choose your battles wisely. In Austria its still better then in Germany or the UK. Here we have a right to armed self defense and the legal system is not that 性交ed up like in Germany or the UK.

About the media..... all the media that is pro Ukraine is mainstream media. The european mainstream media is like BBC or CNN, its fake news. Mainstream media in Europe is all about the glory of the EU, the poor "refugees" (which we know as third-world-thugs) that should be let in by the millions and the mainstream media is pro Ukraine and anti-Russia.

Do you see our problem? We have a mainstream media that is constantly bombarding us with fake news that benefits the globalists agenda. Nobody believes them anymore, like nobody with a clear head would believe most of what CNN reports. And now we should believe them when they pick on Russia at every oportunity, making them look like the worst badguys in the world, while the poor Ukrainians suffer unrighteous at their barbaric hands?
Hell Hillary Clinton is a declared enemy of Russia and that alone is a sign that Putin is doing all right.

What we see here is Russia getting provoked on every front. Its a miracle WW3 hasnt already started.
Information that the media serves is not to be believed. This information needs to be analyzed and made its own conclusions, based on logic, knowledge and own life experience.
Go to the site from which you usually read the news and look at the number of comments left by readers regarding writing.
By the number of comments, it can be concluded that readers are analyzing the news or simply swallowing it.
Yesterday I visited about a dozen Austrian news sites and did not see on one that the readers left comments.
I hope these were not the sites that are popular with you.
 
Gucci, Russia invaded Ukraine, and seized the Crimea. How can they be the victims here?

Sure I believe that there could be corrupt Ukrainian politicians, they are politicians after all. And I'm sure there are all sorts of undercurrents involved in the whole situation.
 
Let's not forget that in 1991 Ukraine had the third largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world. They voluntarily surrendered that stockpile to Russia in exchange for security assurances and financial aid. Now look where those "security assurances" got them - INVADED.

Same thought process about giving up your guns. Big Brother will protect you. Same -same --- Disarm the country -- Disarm the people = same results, government rules the people, no longer serves the people.
 
Let's not forget that in 1991 Ukraine had the third largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world. They voluntarily surrendered that stockpile to Russia in exchange for security assurances and financial aid. Now look where those "security assurances" got them - INVADED.

so can you trust Ivan?? :rolleyes:
 

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