global climate change.

DrHenley said:

My primary driving force is science Bluejoy. And the lack of good scientific integrity among MOST so called "Climate Change Experts" is appalling. They have been caught RED HANDED cooking the books on multiple occasions.

If you are interested in real science and not pseudoscience, listen to a bona fide expert, Roy Spencer:

http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-natural-or-manmade/

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He hasn't published any papers since 2014, presumably after his last paper, co-authored with Braswell, was panned and his climate modelling methods shown to be utterly pointless. His pronouncements about climate change have been shown time and again to be overly-simplistic, irrelevant, unscientific and often downright wrong. He's also a supporter of Intelligent Design, which is a bit of a giveaway when it comes to wondering whether someone is lacking in the science department.

DrHenley said:

Climate Change Science globally is driven by one main motivation: Suck as much money as possible from the U.S.

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People don't really want US money as such. They want clean water, productive soil, breathable air, pollination, forests, sufficient homes, thriving communities, healthy ecosystems. US money, know-how and decency, along with those same things from other countries, could help to provide that for everyone, including those in the US.

"lacking in the science department" eh?
Roy Spencer is a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville
He is the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA's Aqua satellite.
He has served as senior scientist for climate studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center.
He is known for his satellite-based temperature monitoring work, for which he was awarded the American Meteorological Society's Special Award.
In 2001, he designed an algorithm to detect tropical cyclones and estimate their maximum sustained wind speed using the Advanced Microwave Sounding Unit (AMSU).
He was a member of the Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission (TRMM), the TOVS Pathfinder Working Group, the NASA Headquarters Earth Science and Applications Advisory Subcommittee, and two National Research Council (NRC) study panels.

"lacking in the science department" my lilly white Irish Arse!

Now, you give me the names of his critics and tell me what their credentials are...

This "Man caused" global warming scam is a lot like religion. It was designed to fool the ignorant and gullible. It seems to have worked quite well.
Those who have fallen for this scam want to focus on a perceived unproven global disaster, but will do nothing themselves or put their own money where their mouth is.
I still haven't heard from a single believer say what they are personally doing in their life to set an example for the rest of us to curb global warming. Typical, all mouth and no action.

DrHenley said:

"lacking in the science department" eh?
Roy Spencer is a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville
He is the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA's Aqua satellite.
He has served as senior scientist for climate studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center.
He is known for his satellite-based temperature monitoring work, for which he was awarded the American Meteorological Society's Special Award.
In 2001, he designed an algorithm to detect tropical cyclones and estimate their maximum sustained wind speed using the Advanced Microwave Sounding Unit (AMSU).
He was a member of the Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission (TRMM), the TOVS Pathfinder Working Group, the NASA Headquarters Earth Science and Applications Advisory Subcommittee, and two National Research Council (NRC) study panels.

"lacking in the science department" my lilly white Irish Arse!

Now, you give me the names of his critics and tell me what their credentials are...

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It's okay, I read his Wikipedia page before commenting, so I've already seen his credentials. Intelligent Design, however, means lacking in the science department, regardless of a) whatever else he may have done or b) the status of your arse

You can look up the science that debunks his claims all over the place. A good place to start is: https://www.skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Roy_Spencer.htm, which gives information on his quotes and arguments, and links to commentary about his work. Good luck, it's a lot of links.

Names and credentials, Bluejoy. I'm waiting...

too much arguing not enough discussing, i'm right, your wrong sort of dialogue.
the subject matter sort of gets lost.
the gases that are causing the climate to heat up are mostly caused by big business and industry , like chopping down the rain forest to grow palm oil and burn and slash to make room for ranches in the forests , nothing the little man in his house in the suburbs can do about that , more wind and solar farms are needed not coal and diesel power stations, that's a government decision not something that can be influenced by the guy and girl in the street.

I’m not bashing any one scientists credentials, but am certainly pointing out he is in the minority of an overwhelmingly grouped consensus that the world is in trouble and we are the cause of it. I’m comfortable with the averages of most saying he’s wrong.

bigpaul said:

too much arguing not enough discussing, i'm right, your wrong sort of dialogue.
the subject matter sort of gets lost.
the gases that are causing the climate to heat up are mostly caused by big business and industry , like chopping down the rain forest to grow palm oil and burn and slash to make room for ranches in the forests , nothing the little man in his house in the suburbs can do about that , more wind and solar farms are needed not coal and diesel power stations, that's a government decision not something that can be influenced by the guy and girl in the street.

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That's BS BP. There are lot of things that the "little man in the suburbs" can do. Unfortunately most believers just want a government solution, rather than doing anything for themselves.
Just what do you think that "big business and industry" are doing?? They are manufacturing and producing products that people, just like you and me, buy and need! Again, what are you doing without in order to "save" the planet?
Apparently you don't get out much either, otherwise you'd see all of the enormous wind and solar farms that are popping up everywhere. Have you converted over to wind and solar yourself yet? Have you done without that evil internal combustion motor vehicle yet? I'm guessing that you use a bicycle or horse for transportation. Have you eliminated all products that use oil or gas in the manufacturing or transportation process?
Once again, believers should put their money where their mouth is. Set an example.
BTW, my homestead is on 100% solar power. Are you?

You are all missing the point. Right or wrong, Happening or bunk, it does not matter. Limiting birth is not going to happen. Modern man is not going to give up his modern life style. Developing countries are going to use what ever resources they have or can purchase at the lowest cost, no matter the pollution cost. If the planet starts going to heck in a hand basket, then the population will be reduced through water and air pollution, killing off whole groups of people. When it gets bad enough, the governments will then band together to start working on alternate solutions. Problem solved, lower population, new technology, cleaner environment and the start of a whole new way to over whelm the planet. Fact or fiction does not matter. People will do what they can to improve their immediate lives and are not going to give up their dreams and wants for the betterment of their fellow men. Point being, I am not going to loose any sleep or gain a single gray hair on this issue. You don't control the outcome, you can't change the outcome, so why get excited about it.

Urbanprep said:

You are all missing the point. Right or wrong, Happening or bunk, it does not matter. Limiting birth is not going to happen. Modern man is not going to give up his modern life style. Developing countries are going to use what ever resources they have or can purchase at the lowest cost, no matter the pollution cost. If the planet starts going to heck in a hand basket, then the population will be reduced through water and air pollution, killing off whole groups of people. When it gets bad enough, the governments will then band together to start working on alternate solutions. Problem solved, lower population, new technology, cleaner environment and the start of a whole new way to over whelm the planet. Fact or fiction does not matter. People will do what they can to improve their immediate lives and are not going to give up their dreams and wants for the betterment of their fellow men. Point being, I am not going to loose any sleep or gain a single gray hair on this issue. You don't control the outcome, you can't change the outcome, so why get excited about it.

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exactly, nothing will be done until SHTF then its already too late.
sure I use a motor car, you have to when you live in the middle of nowhere, everything is that much further away, if I lived in a city I would cycle or use public transport more but I don't so I cant.
I don't have a homestead I live in a house.
most pollution seems to come from places like Indonesia and Japan, some of the smogs have to be seen to be believed.
maybe one day we will all go over to electric cars but not whilst they are the price they are and the charging points are few and far between. at least I don't drive a nasty pollution diesel car

Urbanprep said:

You are all missing the point. Right or wrong, Happening or bunk, it does not matter. Limiting birth is not going to happen. Modern man is not going to give up his modern life style. Developing countries are going to use what ever resources they have or can purchase at the lowest cost, no matter the pollution cost. If the planet starts going to heck in a hand basket, then the population will be reduced through water and air pollution, killing off whole groups of people. When it gets bad enough, the governments will then band together to start working on alternate solutions. Problem solved, lower population, new technology, cleaner environment and the start of a whole new way to over whelm the planet. Fact or fiction does not matter. People will do what they can to improve their immediate lives and are not going to give up their dreams and wants for the betterment of their fellow men. Point being, I am not going to loose any sleep or gain a single gray hair on this issue. You don't control the outcome, you can't change the outcome, so why get excited about it.

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Sometimes I’ve wondered if this is why Trump pulled out of the agreement.

Brent S said:

Sometimes I’ve wondered if this is why Trump pulled out of the agreement.

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Yep, it could well be. I have read stories with that premise...

If everyone did a bit more to conserve we would all benefit. But we need to get everyone on board, especially industry. We don’t need to encourage coal use and lower emissions standards... glad I don’t have kids to worry about....


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My intentions for going to graduate school were to do alternate fuels research. The bottom dropped out of that field about the time I graduated and there was no money in it anymore.

Don't even get me started on why we are in the situation we are energy wise. And a lot of it is the opposite of what you think. There NEVER was an energy shortage! All we had was a supply chain problem PERIOD.

I'll give you a good example:

We've all heard about the evil BIG OIL suppressing research into improved efficiencies for automobiles right?

What if I told you that way back in the 1970s, Texaco was doing research into automobile engine design, and came up with a design that solved several problems for automobile engines. It was called the Texaco Controlled Combustion System (TCCS). It was what's called a "stratified charge" engine that used a diesel type injection system. Google it...or use this link to a Popular Mechanics article on it: https://books.google.com/books?id=mdgDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA94&dq=Popular+Mechanics+Science+installing+linoleum&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BAjZT-rpNYOe8gTth_jqAw&sqi=2&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Popular Mechanics Science installing linoleum&f=true

They went to all the big auto companies with the design, and got the cold shoulder from all of them. They ended up teaming up with White Engines to produce engines for UPS delivery vans. The reason? The engine idled very efficiently, and UPS vans spend a lot of time idling.

The engine would run on just about any hydrocarbon fuel. Gasoline, diesel, kerosene, peanut oil...they even ran it on motor oil.

The U.S. Army expressed interest in the engine due to it's multi-fuel capability...then suddenly lost interest...no explanation...

So, why would an OIL COMPANY want to push the design of an engine that did not need gasoline, and in fact did not even need petroleum based fuel?

BECAUSE, one of the very expensive processes in manufacturing gasoline is getting the octane rating high enough for use in automobile engines. At that time, tetraethyl lead was still being used to boost octane ratings, and they knew that was going to have to change at some point. Refracting gasoline to raise the octane rating was very energy intensive (read very expensive)

If the refineries could just pull off a gasoline fraction from a fractionating column at, say, 70 octane, and then sell it like that without having to raise the octane. WELL...

And the TCCS engine would run just fine on 70 octane.

The oil company wins by having a product that is not as expensive to make. Consumers win by getting a more efficient engine. The environment wins by having fewer emissions.

But NOPE. For reasons unknown and baffling to Texaco, it never went anywhere in consumer automobiles.

And nowadays, if we started using that type of engine, we wouldn't need ethanol added, which would eliminate a major market for corn, which would be totally unacceptable politically, so...

You can trace nearly every problem back to greed. That is why they say that money is the root of all evil. It is all, "I want, I want, I want". The thing about money is you never have enough, ever. Human beings are greedy and destructive creatures compared to other creatures.

Ignore the cause, focus on the effect. Anyone notice there is less and less insects, and reptiles outside? Our ecosystem is crippling. Before long it will have serious implications on our ecosystem.

The Postman said:

Ignore the cause, focus on the effect. Anyone notice there is less and less insects, and reptiles outside?

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I WISH I had less insects outside. I stopped putting diatomaceous earth on some collards when they bolted so I wouldn't kill the bees. Damned insects stripped them bare.

seriously hope we don't loose the bees,our diet would be shyt after that..

The Postman said:

Ignore the cause, focus on the effect. Anyone notice there is less and less insects, and reptiles outside? Our ecosystem is crippling. Before long it will have serious implications on our ecosystem.

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Yeah your right. I noticed a huge insect die off several months ago. Oh wait..that was winter. Happens every year around here. And they always come back in the spring.
I could live with a few less reptiles too, namely rattlesnakes.

Don't know about anybody else's area but my friendly reptiles and bugs are out and about. I have a little lizard that come out every spring and stays until winter. It hangs out on the balcony and eats all the bugs that are attracted by our lights. I do keep my eyes open for his bigger brothers.

The worlds animal populations are plummeting, including insects. Why everyone isn’t concerned about this is beyond me. Anytime you break a link in a chain it stops working, and this chain is our food supply.